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Hello there,

Is it possible (fluffwise) for an IG army that it is combined with Cadians and Elysian Droptroops? I really like both type of models and I'm currently working on an army list for 2000 Points of this.

Really could use some feedback on this one!

Greetings!

a world is attacked by orks/ space marines/ tyranids/ space marines (of the pointy variety)/ some other race. oh no! luckily, the nearby fleets of both the elysians AND the cadians hear the distress call and team up to fight space crime. the end.

Elysians are used as specialised airborne troops... it's highly likely that they'd be deployed in joint-ops.

If you want a fluff excuse, suggest the Cadians are ground forces and they are relieving the Elysians who've been holding out for days, etc... Think Operation Market Garden

Thank you ! You make it so easy for me any other suggestions though?

Now have to find a way to order from Forgeworld.. Since I don´t have a creditcard:S.. Probably the post office can help me?

get a debit card, natures little plastic manmade miracles.


that's what i use, anyway.

On pg.40 of the Guard Codex, there's a bit about combined regiments of Catachans and Elysians, forming an airborne/jungle specialist regiments. So, yes! it is very likely that the two regiments would fight together, or even be part of the same regiment!

Sure, there was actually a specific instance of a Catachan regiment being put together with Elysians so there shouldn't be a problem doing it with Cadians

Hans_posthumus wrote:Thank you ! You make it so easy for me any other suggestions though?

I'd say you should post an army list before we give you any further advice about what models to use as what.

one of the regiments of cadian or elysian could have been screwed over in a battle, or war, and was so hurt that they were forced to be combined with another regiment which was either below strength or also got beaten badly. this would lead to an army which has both figures within it. this seems to be how combined armed regiments in the IG army work


or maybe a certain warzone requires certain training which one of the regiments doesn't have and in order to best fight the enemy they must combined regiments in order for one to teach the other tactics and work in coordination to better fight the enemy.

you could use the cadian models as a different planet/regiment and by doing so make them trained in something unusual which is needed for a certain warzone, maybe they are ordinance focused, and the drop troops need allied ordnance before they send in their men due to the amount of heavy fordification the enemy has set up, or somethiing similar to this.


hope that helps

Read any of the first few "Gaunt's Ghosts" novels and you'll see that Guard regiments apparently hate fighting alone...at least according to Dan Abnett.

Threre are millions of human worlds that form IG armies, some of the more industialised may take note of another worlds' effective tactics and use them for themselves.

My army is the remnants of the worlds palacial guard and street fighter force and use mordian and cadians to represent them.

Its entirley possible. the 54th catachan is a regiment made up of catachans and elysians, i dont see why a cadian battalion that got its ass kicked couldnt be fortified by elysian troops.

CrashUSAR wrote:Read any of the first few "Gaunt's Ghosts" novels and you'll see that Guard regiments apparently hate fighting alone...at least according to Dan Abnett.

This statement makes no sense, even discounting the dig at Dan Abnett.

Are you trying to say that Guard regiments dislike being deployed by themselves to heavy combat zones or what?

Guard regiments generally aren't deployed "alone".


Why?
Simple.
It'd be a stupid thing to do.

A single Guard regiment(which, as a reminder: the size of a regiment and the unit composition for each regiment tends to vary on a planet by planet basis) isn't going to really be able to do anything--excepting circumstances where they're being deployed as a ceremonial guard or the like.

As for the combination of the Catachan/Elysian force, there's an important note:
Forces like that are not designated by the name of one or the other regiment. They're designated by their role(example of the Belladon/Tanith merge becoming the "81st/1st Recon") or their actual campaign/battlegroup.

So, for example combining the Elysian/Cadian forces I'd name it something like:
"82nd/10th Heavy Infantry Regiment".

In Ciaphus Cain they mention how loose the naming process can be, he was attached to a Valhallan Regiment composed of a formerly all male and an all female regiment. The number they used came from the two old regiment's numbers added together (since that number was available) and I believe the name came from the planet they merged on.

First of all: Yay! First post!!

@Topic:

My personal justification for mixing Cadian and Elysian models in my army was the assumption that they are just equipped and trained for different tasks in one and the same combined arms regiment. I use standard Cadians as my regular line infantry, while the Elysians are the airborne veterans of the same force. Alternatively you could think of one world raising different types of regiments and combining them in campains as needed. Eg. the 1st Randomplanet Panzer Regiment being deployed with the 32nd Randomplanet Airborne and the 3rd Randomplantet Recon.
I think it would look consistent, as long as the units have colours and insignia, since the models do differ in their looks and obviously in their equippement, but not nescessarily in "style". On the other hand, i'd have difficulties mixing cadians and DKoK for them being aesthetically incompatible imho.


Cheers
Crushus Maximus

Well, you could also consider that the Elysians are just Cadians wearing Elysian pattern Drop Equipment.

Cadia does actually have Airborne/Drop Regiments. We just haven't really seen the gear.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, you could also consider that the Elysians are just Cadians wearing Elysian pattern Drop Equipment.

Cadia does actually have Airborne/Drop Regiments. We just haven't really seen the gear.

Where is that info from?

Look at Planetstrike and the old IG Codex. Planetstrike mentions a "Cadian Orbital Drop" Regiment, while the old IG Codex mentions something similar.

Oh Thank you all for this discussiion I now feel no shame on ordering Elysian Droptroops.

Gonna post my progress as soon as I got them!

Thanks again! I think I will go with the cadians just wearing Elysians pattern armor.

Greetings from Holland

CrushusMaximus wrote:First of all: Yay! First post!!

@Topic:

My personal justification for mixing Cadian and Elysian models in my army was the assumption that they are just equipped and trained for different tasks in one and the same combined arms regiment. I use standard Cadians as my regular line infantry, while the Elysians are the airborne veterans of the same force. Alternatively you could think of one world raising different types of regiments and combining them in campains as needed. Eg. the 1st Randomplanet Panzer Regiment being deployed with the 32nd Randomplanet Airborne and the 3rd Randomplantet Recon.
I think it would look consistent, as long as the units have colours and insignia, since the models do differ in their looks and obviously in their equippement, but not nescessarily in "style". On the other hand, i'd have difficulties mixing cadians and DKoK for them being aesthetically incompatible imho.


Cheers
Crushus Maximus

Best first post ever. Of all time.

alexwars1 wrote:

CrushusMaximus wrote:First of all: Yay! First post!!

@Topic:

My personal justification for mixing Cadian and Elysian models in my army was the assumption that they are just equipped and trained for different tasks in one and the same combined arms regiment. I use standard Cadians as my regular line infantry, while the Elysians are the airborne veterans of the same force. Alternatively you could think of one world raising different types of regiments and combining them in campains as needed. Eg. the 1st Randomplanet Panzer Regiment being deployed with the 32nd Randomplanet Airborne and the 3rd Randomplantet Recon.
I think it would look consistent, as long as the units have colours and insignia, since the models do differ in their looks and obviously in their equippement, but not nescessarily in "style". On the other hand, i'd have difficulties mixing cadians and DKoK for them being aesthetically incompatible imho.


Cheers
Crushus Maximus

Best first post ever. Of all time.

Thank you very much. The short lasguns which the Elysians use have the additional sideffect of beeing excellent fluff substitutes for shotguns. You could argue that those are short ranged rapid firing las-carbines and hence assault 2 weapons. Next week after my exams ill start throwing some catachans in my army list as specialised scout veterans. My general plan is to represent all the different battelfield roles my verterans can play with distinctly different models, even if that leads to a lot of models rarely getting used on the table. I'll post some pictures when I'm done to get some feedback wether they are clearly conceivable as members of the same force and consistent in style.

Cheers,
Crushus