sickening wrote:i have a kan wall list in work but only run it at 1500 because i still dont have any dreads.

so is the green tide viable any more or has the kan list taken over?

Warlordron'swaagh wrote:I'm not trying to be a douche, but did you read the thread? he wants a green tide, that means foot sloggin, orc running nastiness. Kans would not be included here. I disagree with your choice on the warphead. The 12" radius for a 5+ cover save and no real fire power from the hq, or melee power, unless you overbeef points is a weakness. The warphead can allow his guys to move faster, or even teleport them to the enemy for faster carnage, he only needs one thin line in the front to grant his others a 4+ cover save with no ridiculous addition of points. If the warpheads unit gets killed off and he is still alive, he can join another unit, or he can use one to get close, fall back into another and continue, its only 80 points, thats why it seems "weak" bu a big mek with kff is alrdy 85+ with no range power, and no melee power, the warphead can do both. For a small point value foot sloggin green tide, warphead is damn near a must.

Don't listen to those nay sayers, a list like this will rock against any non template heavy army, there are too many to kill in shooting, the warphead is unpredicatable, and can easily cause trouble for your enemy, just make sure ya go warphead rather then weird, otherwise ya might bang yer head a bit, lol. With this much on the board, your enemy is gonna have a hard time killin you off. For tournaments, you have so many troop choices, you should easily manage to hold more points, the ONLY thing to truly be ware of is Dawn of war, spearheads, but then again, all orks but cult of speed have it rough there.

mercer wrote:

sickening wrote:i have a kan wall list in work but only run it at 1500 because i still dont have any dreads.

so is the green tide viable any more or has the kan list taken over?

You do not need dreads really, you just need kanz because they're cheap and come in units.
The green tide is still viable but you need to get cover and kanz do this, so it's still a green tide just kanz are being used in a tactical way.

Warlordron'swaagh wrote:I'm not trying to be a douche, but did you read the thread? he wants a green tide, that means foot sloggin, orc running nastiness. Kans would not be included here. I disagree with your choice on the warphead. The 12" radius for a 5+ cover save and no real fire power from the hq, or melee power, unless you overbeef points is a weakness. The warphead can allow his guys to move faster, or even teleport them to the enemy for faster carnage, he only needs one thin line in the front to grant his others a 4+ cover save with no ridiculous addition of points. If the warpheads unit gets killed off and he is still alive, he can join another unit, or he can use one to get close, fall back into another and continue, its only 80 points, thats why it seems "weak" bu a big mek with kff is alrdy 85+ with no range power, and no melee power, the warphead can do both. For a small point value foot sloggin green tide, warphead is damn near a must.

Don't listen to those nay sayers, a list like this will rock against any non template heavy army, there are too many to kill in shooting, the warphead is unpredicatable, and can easily cause trouble for your enemy, just make sure ya go warphead rather then weird, otherwise ya might bang yer head a bit, lol. With this much on the board, your enemy is gonna have a hard time killin you off. For tournaments, you have so many troop choices, you should easily manage to hold more points, the ONLY thing to truly be ware of is Dawn of war, spearheads, but then again, all orks but cult of speed have it rough there.

You are being a douche and a complete idiot. Do you have any concept of tactics at all? So yuor plan is run the orks forward yeah? So you will get shot to pieces and have to take terrain tests, oh because you need 50% of the unit in cover to get a cover save and have large units - good luck with that.

Or shoot through a unit to another unit, which is why you run one unit in the front and the rest behind, using proper placement to ensure your enemy either shoots the first unit or through it. Tactics.. go figure..

Kanz are included in green tides. It still is a green tide. It's called using tacticas, learn the tactics and drop the fancy names for gakky lists, yeah?

Why do you disagree on the warphead for?

Are you being thick about a big mek or something? The KFF gives 4+ cover save to the kanz and they give 4+ cover save to the boyz, you hid the boyz behind the kanz. Yes, thats good for a foot slogging mek unit, works great, but it's not green tide.You get wargear for the big mek. Whatever poitns you made about the big mek apply to the warphead [i]big mek with KFF is already more points then a warphead and less combat effective, orks are meant to get shot, mek only useful to protect vehicles, but then again, vehicles is NOT green tide.which is 2 wounds 6+ armour save, nice and btw those psychic powers are not definate - not reliable at all. And you say get faster to the carnage and you aware the warphead deep strikes and could scatter and cannot assault that turn? It's possible yes, bad luck happens, but seeing as how its a psychic non shooting ability in the shoot phase you could still waagh and assault, or if using shootaboyz, suddenly be in range with 60+ shots, right along the backside of an enemy So your plan is to teleport and stand there and be shot? Top idea!

lol nay sayers. I think you need to learn tactics and what units are actually worth taking. A warphead is unpredictable, correct, but that's for you as well!
So the list will struggle against 2/3s of deployment - that's brilliant list isn't it? one possible outcome, dawn of war/spearhead not any spearhead or any dawn of war... try to read a little better.Please visit the tactica forum a.s.a.p....

mercer wrote:TBH I am not bothered about your back ground information because these is toy soliders, yeah. They have giants in power armour, rocket guns, plasma hot as the sun's core and gak. So your real world army tactics are a bit different to playing with models. Yep giants in mega armor... like tanks, but legs, got it covered. Rokkits, yep ever hear of a RPG? Plasma guns? ever hear of white phosphorous? not a gun, but still a plasma styled weapon as a grenade, which go figure, can be shot out of the rpg... and plasma is nowhere near as hot as the suns core bub, good try though.

No, I use facts. I've explained it all already. You know, fact is you cannot assault after deep strike with the warphead, yes? See that's a fact there.

If you prefer a big mek army then why was you shtting on the big mech for? Kind of double standards, yeah? Nope, because I was responding to a green tide question, not a "better army"

You only get across the board by rolling the right dice with a warphead, yes? If you do not get that roll you do not get anywhere. That is a fact its a 1/3 chance with free waagh or teleport, that you can roll on two dice, i.e. 67% chance to move further each round, possibily across the board. The point of the KFF is to protect you so you do actually make it across with some numbers, I am sure your brilliant military tactics would work that out, yes? Also read the codex, KFF doesn't take a burna space either. I didnt say it did, i said it was the only "gun" the mek can carry WITH the KFF, read better. So he can still shoot, though you do not shoot with the burna, you use it as a power weapon. I thought you need military tactics? You use it as a power weapon if he is close enough to fight in the coming assault, but if he cant hit over 4 enemies with the burna, you have better odds of doing damage with the burna then the as a power weapon, because of the automatic hits wit hthe template.

So let me explain why you need killa kanz seems your super army tactics fail. Not super army, you again seem confused, its green tide, no one said green tide was super You put these in front of the boyz, they give a 4+ cover save. You give the mek a KFF and that gives 4+ cover to the kanz - see now everything has 4+ cover and lasts a whole deal longer instead of running forward. Yes, but it is no longer green tide like the OP asked.Orks do not have move through cover, that's a fact, so you will get bogged down in terrain. So go around it, if you don't place your units during deployment like a slow, you can easily avoid most terrain if you are worried about being bogged down, and you still havent really responded tothe whole shooting through another unit, the first unit is MEANT to be shot. orcs are meant to die, and to die in large numbers,so the larger numbers behind can overrun. [color=red]Read the codex, look at green tide. Then stfu.A large mob will have trouble finding cover because you need 50% in it - fact also.
So like I said what is your plan? Run forward and get shot at or hopefully teleport with the unpredictable warphead and stand there and get shot because you cannot assault after deep strike, oh that's another fact again. I think I am doing well on facts seem you said I lack them..ok... your right about that one, i forgot about that rule, however the shooting part still stands and the ability to completly stop an enemy unit from advancing where it wanted to, is always kind of nice too, like dropping your deepstrike where you DID want 33% chance, and instantly capturing an objective or land next to a heavy weapons squad to eradicate with a hail of bullets that would have been out of range

Also fi you're start going to put things in red for true try highlighting the actual true stuff like 6+ armour save and 2 wounds for the warphead and plenty of other stuff. Irrelevent, its about point cost, and he doesnt have two wounds, he has 33, thats why he's in a unit with 29 boyz and 1 nob. That stuff was not debatable really, so no colors were used because no one will question the basics, should be obvious even to a microcephalic like yerself.

Looking at your fancy rainbow colours for some reason you've put about assaulting after deep strike; you cannot assault after deep strike, even if you waaagh! I've told you this already, as a fact, which I seem to be lacking apparently. You are still right, all 4 times you wrote it you were right, i am not used to running too many weirdboyz, and my only deep striker is usually zagstruk and the vulcha boyz, no matter how many times you point it out i made one mistake, which i will admit, you made over 5 judgement calls and opinions as facts and are for some reason trying to twist the OP's post into which army is better. Your army strategy is GOOD, I use that style a lot, but at that point it IS NOT GREEN TIDE> Why is it so hard for you to grasp this?

And yet some possible outcome, there is only 3 types of deployment which you are reffering too. You never said mission type, you only reffering to deployment - try typing better

Dashofpepper wrote:
4. -Sacrificial Boyz unit. 30 Boyz spread across the line doing the same. Make them 'Ard Boyz if you like; this is really the only good place where 'Ard Boyz shine.
-Most popular of all: Killa-Kans. Personal preference for you here, but this goes from being a green tide list into being a kan-wall list, two entirely different entities.