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In a game the other night, the guy I was playing with had a rather interesting view on wound allocation involving my unit of divesified Nobs. 10 models, each with different wargear.

He claimed that instant death wounds must be allocated to unwounded models, following the rules for removing whole models first. I pointed out to him that on page 26 of the big rule book, it says that after all saving throws have been made, then there is an unsaved instant death wound, a whole model is removed. I further explained that I am free to choose which wounds go on which models, and I can allocate instant death wounds to models with one wound, and regular wounds to non-wounded models, so long as they all have different wargear. He persisted, I relented to keep the game going, but what does Dakka say?

You were correct. The rule for allocating ID wounds to unwounded models applies to each "group." Your unit had each model as its own group.

You were correct. Your opponent was just having sour grapes.

Now the question is, how do I prove that to him. He firmly believes that page 26 doesn't mean what it means. He's also a bit of a WAAC kind of player.

If even the rules do nopt convince him, then there isnt a lot you can do.

nosferatu1001 wrote:If even the rules do nopt convince him, then there isnt a lot you can do.

Pretty much this. If he won't play by the rules, don't play him, and convince others to not play him, until he starts playing by the rules.

if he still is claiming that then just don't play him until he understands the rules.

shealyr wrote:Now the question is, how do I prove that to him. He firmly believes that page 26 doesn't mean what it means. He's also a bit of a WAAC kind of player.

The "Removing whole models" thing and the "Instant Death" thing are really two separate issues, and since every Nob has separate wargear, you aren't really bound by the "removing whole models" thing anyway.

Sad that is has to come to this. Thanks for the help YMTC!

this is a hard one.

if you have partially wounded nobs from previous fire that are different there is nothing stopping you from putting the instant death wound on a already wounded nob.

the ID removal only applies to multi wound models that are the same.

Don't you need to asign the "possible" wounds to each Mob before you roll for the save? Then if the Mob fails it's save the Instant Death appiles to that model.

1) You assign wounding hits to models
2) you group models, and the wounding hits assigned to them, into Groups of identically equipped models
3) Take any saves for each wound - and HERE is where ID kicks in: if any ID wounds are caused (i.e. saves failed) you must remove unwounded models *from that group*

So if you all have unique models then you can push any likely-ID wounds onto already wounded models - nothing stops you doing this.

As nos said. Maybe breaking it down step-by-step like this with the player will work?

you can also put multiple ID wounds on the same model,

Provided you took more wounds then models in the squad.

its a good way of making ID wounds less damaging. that guys would die any way so he will take the big hit.

That guy got *really* instantly killed.