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Ok so I have run this type list @ 1850 and have a 2500pt Ard Boyz list that is basically that same idea with more stuff. I think this list covers all the bases and @ 1500 I do not see people having enough firepower to takeout all my transports. My biggest concern is a footslogging CC Ork army, but I am hoping the flamers on the speeders level that out some. So here is the list.

HQ - 220

RP
Chooser
LL, Hurricane

RP
Chooser
LL, Jaws

TROOP - 770

5xGH
Flamer
Razorback - TLAC

5xGH
Melta
Razorback - Las/Plas

5xGH
Melta
Razorback - Las/Plas

7xGH
Flamer, MotW
Rhino

7xGH
Flamer, MotW
Rhino

HEAVY - 300

3xLF - 2 ML
Rhino

3xLF - 2 ML
Rhino

3xLF - 2 ML
Rhino

FAST ATTACK - 210

1xLand Speeder
MM, HF

1xLand Speeder
MM, HF

1x Land Speeder
MM, HF


LIST TOTAL: 1500pts


Aside from the rediculous number of kill points for this amount of points what do you think?

I don't think you have enough Rhino Chassis...nope, not enough at all...you need at least 12...oh wait this isn't a Razorwire list?

In all seriousness...I think it looks alright, keeping the Long Fangs in a Rhino bunker isn't a bad idea at all. You have a good amount of firepower, plenty enough to take down some big tanks...

Then there's the single glaring issue...your Rune Priests need different wargear son! Just take a Melta bomb or something equally frivolous to take care of the issue...

That's all I've got...is this for the Tournament in Columbia this weekend?

That depends, are you showing up? :p

Seriously though, ya this is probably for this weekend. Trying to make up my mind between this and another list I had written up a couple weeks back. As far as the RP's go I did not list it, but one has a Pistol and the other a Boltgun. I wrote this out on the back of a receipt @ lunch the other day, but I am almost positive the swap out on them is free. I hope so because otherwise I would have to lose one of the meltas.

Yeah, just checked, the upgrade is free. I would try and come; however, I'm going to be going up to Maryland to visit my sister and grab a few games at the Battle Bunker up there in prep for 'Ard Boyz. Maybe next time seeing as it is only about an hour or so to Columbia.

CC ork list is your big problem? I think I'll be changing armies again.

A couple of us here are kicking around the idea of getting in on the ATL tournament circuit next time around. Have just been road tripping to Greenville for tournaments here recently, but finding out there is a good scene in GA as well.


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Sarge wrote:CC ork list is your big problem? I think I'll be changing armies again.

Hehe

After I posted this I was like "Alex or Linden will read this and change his list, I know it."

I'm more partial to straight full squads of long fangs vs speeders and is the chosen upgrade really needed for both Rune priests? What exactly are they going to be shooting that they need the +1 BS and who plays infiltrators these days (lol)? But I think your troop choices look solid, lot of metal boxes to hold points.

I haven't built a list yet. Got a whole lot of nothing going on in the office, so I may start tinkering now.

Shatter.proof wrote:I'm more partial to straight full squads of long fangs vs speeders and is the chosen upgrade really needed for both Rune priests? What exactly are they going to be shooting that they need the +1 BS and who plays infiltrators these days (lol)? But I think your troop choices look solid, lot of metal boxes to hold points.

When you roll that "1" for their number of shots with LL you really want it to hit.

I am also a fan of maximum Long Fangs, but @ 1500 pts it is hard to make sacrifices elsewhere. The 1850 and 2500 lists I mentioned both units are filled out. With this points value I had to trim them down. This will be my first tournament test of the 2xML units, but being able to sit comfortably in a tank and fire missiles at 2 different targets is kinda hot.

Atlanta has a nice gaming circle going on. Here in Augusta, it seems like 40k has started picking up more in the past few months as a lot of military guys have been transferring in that play the game. It's nice to get a change of pace from time to time as compared to facing pink Tyranids for 3 weeks in a row.

I've always found LL to be lack luster personal.. It actually got to the point that I just said sure you rune priests are great and all but I dont know how to make you work so here we go wolf priests w/ terms in a drop pod :O

Personally I'd put the meltas in the rhino if you plan on using it as a fire point to give the meltas a 18" threaten range and easier to roll up and shoot, they arn't gonna do anything in the razorbacks and personally I like to either plant my razorbacks on a point or keep them long range instead of rushing the front lines.

We have a good little area here in the mid to upstate SC. There is Borderlands, Crazy Beanz, and our store here. All good places, and all within a 1.5 hour area. Which I guess would include you guys too since it is only like an hour or so to Augusta.

I wonder what you would think facing my standard 1500 list:

H.Q.

Bjorn
Plasma Cannon -270

Elites

Wolf Guard 3x
Power Fist 1x, Power Weapon 2x, Land Raider Crusader: Multi-Melta, Extra Armor -379

Troops

Grey Hunters 5x
Mark of the Wulfen, Flamer, Razorback: Lascannon, Twin Linked Plasma Guns -165

Grey Hunters 5x
Mark of the Wulfen, Flamer, Razorback: Lascannon, Twin Linked Plasma Guns -165

Grey Hunters 10x
2x Melta, Mark of the Wulfen -170

Heavy Support

Vindicator -115

Vindicator -115

Long Fangs 5x
4x Missile Launchers -115

Total: 1494

Dont take Bjorn, he's terrible.


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Also I dont think you have enough troops, sure the LR is great but you've got more points in 1 elite then close to your entire troop choice..

Originally I had meltas in those Rhino units as well, but I had to trim points. I then had it just as you suggest at first, but realized that the Rhino units had more people plus MotW. In the event of big CC units like I mentioned I will be using them as a finisher once I soften them up a bit on the way across the field with frag missiles. So the flamer will be more useful for them. I think the list has more than enough AT fire throughout, but if needed the meltas in my Razorbacks could be deployed in the case of multiple AV14's.

Hmm I dont know how well the Fangs + rhinos will work cause sure it might give them a nice shell but it cant move and if it gets glanced it wont be doing anything that turn except move and unless you play fangs differently then I they are normally going to start close to or in the best position to just unleash fire. Id play test it a bit before being golden on the idea because if you dropped the rhinos and just filled up the squads thats more missiles and can be used to pop stuff that risks getting close enough to shoot them.

Terrible? I'd love to hear your reasons why...

1) He can almost certainly get you first turn.
2) He's just about as hard as a Land Raider to take down.
3) Can count as an extra objective when you just need to make one in an objective mission.
4) He can walk through just about everything on the board with the exception of big nasties...in which case nothing really should be in Close Combat with them anyway.

He has made back his points 2-3 times over in almost every game that I have fielded him in...Maybe I just know how to use him or people just underestimate him. Either way, he is winning games all on his own and I'm going to stick with him.

Shatter.proof wrote:Dont take Bjorn, he's terrible.


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Also I dont think you have enough troops, sure the LR is great but you've got more points in 1 elite then close to your entire troop choice..

What he said about the troops, Bjorn I am still on the fence about.

As far as against playing against your list goes. I would be able to put 3 MM speeders unto that LR along with 2 LC's, which should be more than enough to cover it. The missiles and LL would pick and choose amongst the rest of your armor with 8 shots going @ 8 targets. You have no major CC unit that outnumbers me other than your 10 man GH squad. The RP's in my 7 man units should make up some of that difference so I don't have to worry about getting overwhelmed in combat. Depending on shots available to the fangs the frag missiles and any remaining speeders move on to the LF squad and possibly the Vindicators who I think I could avoid for at least two rounds depending on delpoyment. It's undeniable that dice, scenery, and order of turns will quickly change a gameplan. However I think I would win the majority of games if we played these two lists against one another. Deffinately more favorable to me on the rounds I got to go first.


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Shatter: Like I said I am trying the Rhino thing out. Not being able to move will be an issue at times I am sure, but being able to target two things @ str 8 with an ar11 outer shell for only 100pts is worth at least trying. I might end up scraping the idea after this. I guess that just depends on how often I miss shots due to needing to move. Also dropping all the Rhinos only frees up enough for 4 guys with missiles meaning I now only have two incomplete squads with no transport which is balls for DoW missions. If I dropped 2 speeders I could max them out, but then I seriously lack melta to deal with Av13 and 14. Not to mention the loss of the mobile flamers for horde control.

No he's terrible :/ For the points he doesnt do much and mathematically his power gives you a 53% chance (I know it sucks) to pick who goes first and since you arn't doing an alpha strike or drop pod list it doesnt really matter who gets to go first(unless your playing against an alpha strike which is in your best intrest or pod which either way it doesnt matter for them). He is also a liability to the game in a few situations.

He's over 200 points for a 5+ invuln a good bs and a plasma cannon. He can lose you the game based on kp if they over run you with troops (which it looks like they will).


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@Kaotik See missile launchers are great but 2 shots isn't going to make or break the game but I like lots o shots. But I do agree that for 100 points they are a good hard unit and it is a 100 points of av 11 missile launching goodness at 2 guys and since missiles can drop templates or punch armor its not a bad idea.

Yeah, that list really is designed solely to go first and I can admit the one trick pony in the form of the Land Raider will only work for a few more games, of that I am certain.

I just prefer micro managing and running around with 5+ Rhino chassis reminds me too much of Imperial Guard.

I guess I'm just going to have to come up there in a few weeks and try this list up there since around here it somehow has me at king of the hill...(Kind of embarrassing to say that really)

Not to mention I am still of the metal coffin idea of transport.

http://40kmaunderings.blogspot.com/2009/10/space-wolves-bjorn-fell-handed.html

Thats more information on bjorn and why he isnt great.

All the more reasons for me to take him. He literally draws so much fire from the opponent that I just sit back and smile.

Not to mention I go more on actual experience than mathhammer.

He really shouldn't draw that much fire, I mean he isnt any scarier then a dreadnought and I'd just pop the LR first. 1 plasma cannon shot a turn is meh.

I mean if you didnt take him and took say a wolf guard bc you could field almost a whole other wolf guard w/ lr for the same points that will do more on the field IMO. Or a wolf priest with the guard to make them scarier (or at least do more I mean its 3 dudes..) and a venerable dreadnought which can and should do just as much if not more.

I did the math on Bjorn, or should I say I rolled the dice around 600 times one day to test him and the Inquisitor ally. I was tossing around the possibility of using him in Ard' Boyz with the Razor spam. His ability gives you around 60% chance of going first while you also gain a monster CC dread and a really good plasma template.

However the Inquisitor ally you can take with a tarot gives you closer to a 70% chance. If you are wanting a bonus to going first go that route instead. Less points and better effect. For almost the same points (depending on other Inquisitor items) you could take two standard dreads AND the Inquisitor. You also gain a tablewide hood at ld9 and 4d6 deepstrike protection.

Now combining the two gives you over an 80% chance to go first, and that was what I had possibly planned to do. In the end though Bjorn for MOST people is just way to many points for what you get, and I turned out to be one of those people.

All it takes is one glancing hit to make Bjorn do nothing except walk. I dont think at 1500 points you can make a list with enough fire power to make use of the first turn thing. I mean I thought about taking him in my drop pod army but why? For the points I can take 2 priests that give my guards rr in close combat which makes their fewer attack power weapons great.

I'm also not big on the whole walking a dread around the table. I just think you can do more for 270 points then the tricks you get from bjorn. Hell you can field Grimnar for that amount and he's great.

We could discuss this in PM more as I don't want to hijack Kaotik's thread, the fact remains that people don't find him scary, they just think of him as a liability. A liability that makes them make silly mistakes as in concentrating on gunning him down while ignoring the other units because they want those free D3 kill points and they want that extra objective. If you have something they want, make them want it more, the more mistakes they make the more you capitalize.

*shrug* I guess I know I won't be converted to thinking Bjorn is good and you want think he's bad lol. I just don't think he's competitive and that's all I'm gonna say about it.

Sorry Kaotik about derailing your thread.

No problem. I even chimed in.

lol Yeah, try your list out and make your own call, if you feel that only 6 missiles a turn vs.. what 15 then swap it up, but hey it might all work out and blast away.

To get to the 15 missiles I would have to dump two of the Speeders. I have fallen in love with them over the past few tournaments so I am gonna run it this way. Thanks to everyone for the comments/input.