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Archon Rank
Punisher
Combat Drugs
Reaver Jetbike
Tormentor Helm
Mask of The Damned


First of all, would it be legal, second of all, is it worth dropping the combat drugs to take a shadow field?

It's legal, but I would drop the Mask of the Damned for the Shadow Field.

You can't take a shadow field without dropping the drugs, however, I'd take an Animus Vitae instead of the Mask of the Damned.
With a punisher and combat drugs you can boost your Archon to have a nice STR 6, WS8.

Thanks guys. But is it worth dropping the drugs for the shadow field? I mean a 5+ save is very rubbish. My opponent reckons being on a jet bike raises it to 4+ but I'm pretty sure this isn't the case, although it makes sense...

Your armor save, as per the codex, is indeed 4+ on the bike. (I'd take the Shadowfield, though, 4+ for an IC who is toughness 3 for the purposes of instant death is not a good idea)

I probably would be leery of dropping the Drugs, as the Drugs are what help make a Lord so deadly - I'd probably drop the Mask and keep the Drugs while also getting a Shadowfield.

shouldn't this be in the army lists section?

Exarch_Nektel wrote:shouldn't this be in the army lists section?

Nah, it's only 1 model being discussed, hardly an army. And discussing one models wargear certainly affects the tactics you use with said model.

It's not an army list by any stretch and is discussing the tactics of how to equip an Archon. I think it's in the correct forum.


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Bah, ninja are everywhere.

Ahhh Thor, your infinite kabalite wisdom is an asset to Commorragh.

Thor665 wrote:Your armor save, as per the codex, is indeed 4+ on the bike. (I'd take the Shadowfield, though, 4+ for an IC who is toughness 3 for the purposes of instant death is not a good idea)

I probably would be leery of dropping the Drugs, as the Drugs are what help make a Lord so deadly - I'd probably drop the Mask and keep the Drugs while also getting a Shadowfield.

I question this. While RJB squads do, in fact, have a 4+ save, there is nothing in the wargear entry for the RJB that indicates it confers an improved armor save. That is also not indicated in the Errata for the RJB wargear entry on GW's web site.

Page 14, Reaver Jetbike. The entire entry should
be replaced with the following:
‘A Dark Eldar character on a Reaver Jetbike
changes its unit type from Infantry to Jetbike,
with all of the benefits of an Eldar Jetbike
described in the rulebook. The model gains +1
Toughness as normal, but also +1 Strength due
to the combat blades fixed to the bike. The bike
comes with an in-built splinter rifle, which does
not count towards the character’s weapons
allowance. Characters mounted on Jetbikes
cannot be given Webway Portals or Crucible of
Malediction.’

(Now, I don't have the main rule book here, so it might be possible that the main rule book states that "Eldar Jetbikes" grant an improvement to the rider's armor save, but there is no explicit instruction in the DE codex that I own that gives the rider of an RJB such an improved save.)

Eldar jetbikes grant a 3+ armor save to the rider

Grey Templar wrote:Eldar jetbikes grant a 3+ armor save to the rider

Is that spelled out in the main rulebook or in the Eldar codex? The FAQ Errata states that the RJB gets the benefits "described in the rulebook."

Lots of people have assumed for a long time that the RJB gave a 4+ armor save since the unit entry for the RJB Squad has a 4+ save. However, there are several holes in that assumption that I haven't seen adequately addressed. The 5th ed. Errata might have addressed that, but I'm just looking for clarification.

So, if the RJB should actually be granting a 3+ save, that would be interesting.

its under the jet bike rules in the codex.

under guardian jet bike entry i belive(only place the rules are given)

Hmmm, that's interesting.

Back in 3rd edition when the DE first showed up, per the rulebook 'Bikes granted the same armor save as the troops riding them' which was always the argument for the 4+.

Saldiven has a good point that this rule isn't actually around anymore.

I'm not sure about the 3+ thought, though, as the errata definitely says you're getting the effects in the 'rulebook' which is generally used to refer to the core rulebook, not a codex.

I'm going to put on my asbestos suit and see what YMDC has to say on this as it's an interesting question.

the problem is it references another codex and that codex says they get a 3+ armor save.

guardians only have a 5+ normally so they get a -2 down to 3+, just by riding the bike.

Does Codex: Eldar specifically state that having an Eldar Jetbike grants the rider a 3+ save, or is that merely an assumption that since Guardian Jetbikes have a 3+ save, then any rider should also have one?

The setup might be gaming legal but not Dakkadakka legal. Dont post individual costs...

InventionThirteen wrote:Archon Rank 60pts
Punisher 20pts
Combat Drugs 25pts
Reaver Jetbike 35pts
Tormentor Helm 5pts
Mask of The Damned 15pts

Yes, its legal.

You only have 80 points of wargear - you still have 20 points to spend. You have to remember that weapons do not count as wargear so the punisher does not count towards the wargear limit.

I would make an Biker Archon like this:

Punisher
T-Helm
Combat drugs
Shadowfield
Reaver Jetbike
Plasma Grenades
& Trophy Rack

that's 97 points of wargear + 20 points of weapons

Boy have I caused a stir huh. Yeah typical that Dark Eldar would be rushed through the FAQ process faster than you can shake a space marine at.

Is it true that weapons don't count toward the wargear limit?!

That is very true.

Thank all of you for helping out! The imperium's finest are in for some pain...

tedurur wrote:The setup might be gaming legal but not Dakkadakka legal. Dont post individual costs...

STFU, and don't backseat mod especially not against points which aren't in fact pounced upon by mods. Simply report and move on if you have an issue.

Norade wrote:

tedurur wrote:The setup might be gaming legal but not Dakkadakka legal. Dont post individual costs...

STFU, and don't backseat mod especially not against points which aren't in fact pounced upon by mods. Simply report and move on if you have an issue.

ROFL, PMS much?
Why would it be better to report than to simply make him aware that its against forum rules to post individual item costs so that he can edit himself?

tedurur wrote:

Norade wrote:

tedurur wrote:The setup might be gaming legal but not Dakkadakka legal. Dont post individual costs...

STFU, and don't backseat mod especially not against points which aren't in fact pounced upon by mods. Simply report and move on if you have an issue.

ROFL, PMS much?
Why would it be better to report than to simply make him aware that its against forum rules to post individual item costs so that he can edit himself?

Rules Link

Care to show me where it says you can't post point costs champ? You can't do it so please crawl back to your hole now and do the rest of us a favor.

All is sorted. No worries.

InventionThirteen wrote:All is sorted. No worries.

Sorry, to derail your thread after the issue was solved, but some smack down is too good to pass up.

Norade wrote:

tedurur wrote:

Norade wrote:

tedurur wrote:The setup might be gaming legal but not Dakkadakka legal. Dont post individual costs...

STFU, and don't backseat mod especially not against points which aren't in fact pounced upon by mods. Simply report and move on if you have an issue.

ROFL, PMS much?
Why would it be better to report than to simply make him aware that its against forum rules to post individual item costs so that he can edit himself?

Rules Link

Care to show me where it says you can't post point costs champ? You can't do it so please crawl back to your hole now and do the rest of us a favor.

Seems like you fail horribly at point #1.

Anyway http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/281186.page have fun reading it!


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Norade wrote:

InventionThirteen wrote:All is sorted. No worries.

Sorry, to derail your thread after the issue was solved, but some smack down is too good to pass up.

Yeah, you totally won 1 internetz...lol. Getting bullied much in real life? Do you need to bost your big mean impressive internet ego in order to feel less inadequate?

tedurur wrote:

Norade wrote:

tedurur wrote:

Norade wrote:

tedurur wrote:The setup might be gaming legal but not Dakkadakka legal. Dont post individual costs...

STFU, and don't backseat mod especially not against points which aren't in fact pounced upon by mods. Simply report and move on if you have an issue.

ROFL, PMS much?
Why would it be better to report than to simply make him aware that its against forum rules to post individual item costs so that he can edit himself?

Rules Link

Care to show me where it says you can't post point costs champ? You can't do it so please crawl back to your hole now and do the rest of us a favor.

Seems like you fail horribly at point #1.

Anyway http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/281186.page have fun reading it!

Meh, not being able to do so defeats the point of this thread. You could quote an entire unit entry under fair use so legally you're covered. Besides, the mods hardly ever even mention it so it's hardly anything to worry over.

It also doesn't make you any less of a backseat mod.

Norade wrote: Meh, not being able to do so defeats the point of this thread. You could quote an entire unit entry under fair use so legally you're covered. Besides, the mods hardly ever even mention it so it's hardly anything to worry over.

It also doesn't make you any less of a backseat mod.

So you want advice on this from people that dont own a DE codex? How would not post individual pts defeat the purpose of this thread? Just admit you were wrong and stop embarasing yourself.


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Also sorry for derailing the thread by replying to the troll...

tedurur wrote:

Norade wrote: Meh, not being able to do so defeats the point of this thread. You could quote an entire unit entry under fair use so legally you're covered. Besides, the mods hardly ever even mention it so it's hardly anything to worry over.

It also doesn't make you any less of a backseat mod.

So you want advice on this from people that dont own a DE codex? How would not post individual pts defeat the purpose of this thread? Just admit you were wrong and stop embarasing yourself.

People don't always have a codex handy numbnuts... I wouldn't unless I was posting from home so having the points to look at can be useful for helping others.