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I searched and this didn't pop up anywhere. I can't believe I'm the first! Be proud of me Dakka.

Brood Progenitor: All units of Termagants, spawned or otherwise, within 6" of a Tervigon can use the Tervigon's Leadership for any test they are required to make.

Initiative test for JotWW, Toughness test for being a Chaos Spawn... I didn't see anything in the FAQ about it. Not a huge deal, but I was amused

Thats a pretty good catch.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I didn't see anything in the FAQ about it

I think there's a reason for that

It does say any tests...

You know now that I think about it, whenever a rule says you can use a model's leadership for checks it always specifies leadership checks. I think OP is on to something......

Hahaha...is that for real..runs to check codex...


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Yup...quite ridiculous...but absolutely true.

Well...this is intriguing. Really useful in sweeping advances.

Sorry to be a kill joy but this really, really doesn't work.

e.g: Player one: 'Take an initiative test for JOTWW'
two: 'OK, I'll use the tervigon's initiative'
one: 'errrr ok, you're leadership 10. Now roll under your initiative'

You can't take an initiative test on a leadership score so at the very best you can break the game: Forced to take initiative test, substitute initiative for leadership 10, can't take initiative test on leadership, games breaks.

I'm sure you're not being serious about using this as an actual rule though so I will happily concede that the rule is poorly written if it was intended to be foolproof.

It has begun

@Soup: It would depend on who I was playing if I would try it or not. If I'm playing a strict RaW player I'd certainly use it and I'm sure we'd both have a laugh. If it's anyone who plays with any fraction of RaI I'd be a nice guy and play it in what I would consider a more reasonable fashion (just for leadership-based things). I play with people who like both approaches so to each his own, but at the least the RaW is what it is I believe you would substitute a "10" not a "Leadership 10" under strict RaW as there's no such thing as the latter.

im confused here, how does a leadership value help out a Toughness test or a Initative test? yes you can use the Tervi's Leadership for any test needed....but his Int, and his T are -not- his leadership......so how does the gaunts benifit?

It would appear you could indeed use the LD for toughness tests and init and the like, it doesnt say for any x based tests, but all.

So take an init test, following rules normally, special rule gives exception to use a different value substituted for whatever stat is to be tested.

It's obviously a misprint...but if Bug players can make it work...all the power to them.

I thought it was an obvious misprint at first but the Tervigon already makes them Fearless. They need a higher LD for the Counter-Attack they get and I believe they didn't clarify to avoid an edition-change fiasco (a good example is how Dark Eldar Pinning weapons still work on Fearless units in 5th ed because they ask for a different kind of test). Take it however you like though.

Yeah this is a good catch can you find the fun list of RaW thread and add it?

FlingitNow wrote:Yeah this is a good catch can you find the fun list of RaW thread and add it?

Done.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

FlingitNow wrote:Yeah this is a good catch can you find the fun list of RaW thread and add it?

Done.

An interesting catch...but not relevant to the game as previously posted.

You can't use use Ld when testing Toughness or Initiative tests. If you want to be picky, it doesn't say "Leadership number""Leadership score", just Leadership.

You don't use Ld on those tests, aka, there is no loophole here.

Except the rule states it is a loophole...but then the game breaks...maybe?

Soup and a roll wrote:Sorry to be a kill joy but this really, really doesn't work.

e.g: Player one: 'Take an initiative test for JOTWW'
two: 'OK, I'll use the tervigon's initiative'
one: 'errrr ok, you're leadership 10. Now roll under your initiative'

You can't take an initiative test on a leadership score so at the very best you can break the game: Forced to take initiative test, substitute initiative for leadership 10, can't take initiative test on leadership, games breaks.

I'm sure you're not being serious about using this as an actual rule though so I will happily concede that the rule is poorly written if it was intended to be foolproof.

This. Go right ahead.

Che-Vito wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

FlingitNow wrote:Yeah this is a good catch can you find the fun list of RaW thread and add it?

Done.

An interesting catch...but not relevant to the game as previously posted.

You can't use use Ld when testing Toughness or Initiative tests. If you want to be picky, it doesn't say "Leadership number""Leadership score", just Leadership.

You don't use Ld on those tests, aka, there is no loophole here.

Che-Vito speaks the truth!

But we're given explicit permission to use the tervigons LD for any test, got an initive test - you'dnormally need to use int but your given permission to use the Tervigon's Leadership for any test... I don't see the problem here... "In order to take the test, roll a D6. To succeed, you must score equal to or lower than the value of the characteristic involved. Note that if a 6 is rolled, then the model automatically fails the test regardless of the characteristic’s value or any other modifier that might apply, and conversely a 1 is always a success."

Soo what's the problem?

ChrisCP wrote:But we're given explicit permission to use the tervigons LD for any test, got an initive test - you'dnormally need to use int but your given permission to use the Tervigon's Leadership for any test... I don't see the problem here... "In order to take the test, roll a D6. To succeed, you must score equal to or lower than the value of the characteristic involved. Note that if a 6 is rolled, then the model automatically fails the test regardless of the characteristic’s value or any other modifier that might apply, and conversely a 1 is always a success."

Soo what's the problem?

You want to be picky, so I will be picky:

The rule allows you to use the Tervigon's Ld. Not the "Ld number" or "Ld score", just the Ld.

Example: Initiative tests asks you to roll against I. You can use the Tervigon Ld for any test, but the test does not require Ld, but I. The Tervigon rule does not specify that you substitute the Ld "number", but rather *can use the* Ld. Since Ld. is inappropriate for what is being asked, it cannot be used.

I'd like to see the RaW quotes to justify that. Even with what you said, I can "use the Tervigon's Leadership for any test" so it doesn't matter what kind of test it is. Even if I am using a LD value opposed by Init, I can because the rule lets me Again, I wouldn't do this against an opponent with any bit of preference for RaI, but I believe the wording sticks.

sigh... another one of these silly loophole posts.

the original intent of this rule is obvious. you can use the leadership for all leadership tests. to say otherwise is to try to exploit poor writing to your advantage.

...or for use when playing by strict RaW (which I honestly only know 2 people that do).

raw is irrelevant and for rules lawyers... or for situations where the intention of the rule is unclear.

I know GW is full of people I don't have a particularly high opinion of, but I dont think even they are dumb enough to write something that would intentionally allow you to use leadership values on initiative tests.

Its a failure to proofread, like the whole scout / scouts thing in the spacewolf codex.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'd like to see the RaW quotes to justify that. Even with what you said, I can "use the Tervigon's Leadership for any test" so it doesn't matter what kind of test it is. Even if I am using a LD value opposed by Init, I can because the rule lets me Again, I wouldn't do this against an opponent with any bit of preference for RaI, but I believe the wording sticks.

The burden of proof is on you. You have already provided a quote that says you may use "Ld." not "Ld. value".
That's all that I need to read, if you want to read it strictly (as you are attempting to do.)

Since it doesn't say "Ld. value'"Ld. score""Ld. number", but simply "Ld.", and Ld. is inappropriate for the test...you have found no loophole.

Either way...it still says you can use the Ld regardless...so what's your point?

Che-Vito, how does a termagaunt use this rule then, since your argument seems to claim that leadership has no value, score, or numerical equivalent?

Krak_kirby wrote:Che-Vito, how does a termagaunt use this rule then, since your argument seems to claim that leadership has no value, score, or numerical equivalent?

How does anything ever roll for any kind of test??? (*o*)


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Oh noes...the game no longer works!

I think that is his point: you are told you can use leadership, i.e. the word, not the value of the leadership.

So you cannot use it at all -if you go for defies-all-sense, of course.