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Hi guys, so I'm thinking UBER long term here, but I want to put together an entire IG regiment both for standing around and looking kick ass as well as playing a bit.....but I have a unit structure in mind and I have come up with a bit of a dilemna.....

You see, I can't decide whether I should have 2 companies of Russ tanks, or 1 company of Russ tanks and a Baneblade company! (Either way, I'm keeping a Baneblade at the head of each company ) So....what is DakkaDakka's opinion, taking into account both awesome looks, and awesome kickassness?

When you say 'Companies of Russ tanks', how many Russes are you talking?

Go for 10 Russ and 3 Baneblades. Though you may want to mix a Shadowsword in the SH company for flavor.

One of each is the way to go (Ten LR's and four superheavies)

Smashotron wrote:When you say 'Companies of Russ tanks', how many Russes are you talking?

I was thinking 3, 3 tank platoons and a command tank.

But hmm, so 10 LR and 4 Baneblades (And or other SH variants).... Oki then...that sounds epic in looks and tabletop. Hehehehe. Apocalypse games, here I come...once I save up the money to buy this army of epicness x_X.

300 Hell Hammers

OP, here's an example force org for an armoured regiment which'll give you some food for thought.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mamtwjynjjz

How much infantry are you including in your regiment? Bear in mind that a catachan light infantry regiment which has very little armour or artillery (not even a full tank company) has approx 180 squads.

A friend of mine is building a catachan regiment at the moment he's on squad 130-something now.

Personally, I think an armoured regiment (45 squads in chimeras + 40 russ + support units) is a lot more interesting.

Thanks! That's actually a really nice read.....damn, those units are bigger than I thought. o.O
This was the idea I had at first for it....what do you guys think?

Alpha Company
-Baneblade Company
-2 Stormtrooper Squads in Chimeras

Bravo Company
-Leman Russ Company
-2 Veteran Armored Fist squads

Charlie, Delta, Echo Companies
-Two Platoons of Infantry
-2 Squads of Regular Guardsman
-1 Veteran Squad
-2 Heavy Weapons Squads
-Stormtrooper Squad in Chimera
-3 Leman Russ Battle Tanks
-2 Basilisks

Foxtrot and Golf Companies
-4 Platoons of Infantry (Same composition as above)
-4 Basilisks

The only problem I have with this is that it's a mixed regiment. If you added a little airsupport then it would be a true combined arms force.

IG fluff is that they do not do this - regiments have a speciality (infantry, armour, etc) and minimal amounts of regiment level support.

Where combined arms is needed it's achieved by deploying multiple regiments.

That said, it's not too hard to fluff a reason for it. If this is what was left of two regiments + support at the end of a campaign and it was immediately needed elsewhere then they'd be lumped together into a new regiment and re-deployed. You're a little understrength for a regiment as well which fits with the backstory.
If you wanted to represent this fluff on the models then have most of the models show recently repainted markings (regimental for all the tanks, company and squad marks for almost all vehicles) and have a few vehicles be brand new (to represent replacement equipment commission during transport)

The only thing I'd change is removing the infantry from the tank companies - definately no type mixing at all within the company.

ETA, what's your regimental command staff going to ride in? Doesn't have to be a leviathan, you could use some other superheavy with transport capacity. And don't forget the HQ attached stuff - comms, recon, engineering, etc. It's bits like that which turn a big collection of models into a regiment.

ChrisWWII wrote:I want to put together an entire IG regiment

I can't decide whether I should have 2 companies of Russ tanks, or 1 company of Russ tanks and a Baneblade company!

1 of each. More variety looks better.

Hmmm, yes....I agree with you in the fluff department, and that the IG doesn't do that usually. But just like there are some Space Marines that ignore the Codex Astartes, I kinda figured that the planet these guys are from ignore standard IG procedure, and all the complaints are still slowly making their way through the Departo Munitorum. I also fluffed out the size as the planet believing that a smaller combined arms force would work better than a single massive force that consisted of all unit types. Iono how well that would fly in the actual fluff-verse....I think I'll prob start a thread in the fluff area devoted to that idea. But

But as for the command vehicle.....I actually had not put much thought into that. I was thinking it'd be a small company of Chimera's if anything. And yeah....the HQ attachments. THOSE I totally forgot about, and I actually just came up with a fluff reason for why they don't have the support stuff attached in the regiment. The Guard regiments they deploy are either Line Regiments or Support Regiments. Support Regiments contain the engineering and everything for one or two line regiments. The group of 3 regiments train, learn and fight together, and are basically only separate regiments on paper. What do you think of that?

You can make anything work with a good story.

However, having the support elements in a separate regiment is very dangerous. What happens when the department munitorum says "deploy regiment 531 immediately to X".
You message them back "but 532 and 533 need to go with them, they work together."
"Not interested, sorry. One regiment is required, deploy one."

Remember, all regiments are meant to be of equal strength regardless of what they consist of - a support regiment doesn't meet that critera although a smallish combined arms regiment with full support probably does.

I'd be tempted to throw some aircraft in there, vet squads in valks supported by vultures, as an additional company. That would be a pretty effective and self-contained force compared to most regiments. Since they do well and are easy to employee no-one's complained to the DM about their non-standard composition.

I've considered doing this as well, and I was going to go with standard USMC Infantry regiments as the basis, since that's what I was. Some leeway with HQ stuff since that was way above my level.

A Regiment has four Battalions (1st, 2nd, 3rd, HQ), each one has four Companies (1st- Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Weapons; 2nd -Echo, Fox, Golf, Weapons; 3rd- India, Kilo, Lima, Weapons; HQ- Motor transport, Comm, Medical, Command). Each line Company has four platoons, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Weapons, while your Weapons companies generally have CAAT 1, CAAT 2, and mortars. CAAT is Combined Anti-Armor Team, a vehicle mounted weapon team.

With that in mind, it doesn't mean that you have to make everything the same regiment, attachments are actually common in the military even today. So some truck company gets stuck hauling around infantry guys on some crazy mission. I'm partial to one world armies, except when it'd be more rule of cool to do other wise.

In this case though I'd take a standard super heavy squadron seperately, but take another Baneblade or variant as the Regimental commander's command vehicle. All tricked out with crazy awesome Imperial paraphernalia. Then different superheavy variants as the Company commander vehicles for the Russ companies fitting with the theme, like a Stormblade with an Executioner company.

Here's a couple more regimental org charts:
http://www.mediafire.com/?aqtzd3adyz5
However, I find these a bit bland and over-simplified compared to the FW one.

Inache, eight fighting companies plus HQ and support is almost exactly in line with the fluff guidelines. (usually nine + HQ and support) If the companies are a touch over size then you'd be spot on and it sounds like they will be with the embedded weps.

Yeah...I realized that would be a major problem with the whole thing, but ah well. It's 40k. It's supposed to be the grimdark world where a support regiment gets sent out to be a front line unit fighting orks or nids. =D
Inache, that does sound interesting.....have you created like a totally new planet and everything? But I agree with you on the attachment thing, and in standard fluff IG I think they actually do do that a lot.

But yeah....Hmmm, I like the Baneblade command vehicle idea. That actually sounds like it'd be very, very cool....much better than the Chimera swarm I was originally thinking of. =P
Additionally, I do think my superheavy company will be 3 Baneblades and one Shadowsword.

Additionally, out of curiosity....has anyone tried out the Manticores and Deathstrike launchers? Cause even though I'm putting communications, engineering, etc. in a seperate regiment, I was thinking that'd I'd have some regimental level artillery and AA.

Scott, I actually think I shall create an additional company with Valkyries.... I know it's about....1 Vulture and 3 Valks or so is a flight, so maybe 4 of those to make about 12 aircraft all together?

FWIW, Chris, my IG armor is like this:

1 mini-tank
4 Chimeras

2 Hellhounds

3 Valks (unbuilt)

3 Demolishers
2 Russes

1 Hydra
1 Basilisk
1 Griffon

1 ARV (unbuilt)

1 Baneblade (unbuilt)
1 Stormlord (unbuilt)
1 Shadowsword (unbuilt)


It's an Apoc force with lots of variety. Ultimately, I'll add a Manticore & convert the Griffon to a Deathstrike to "complete" things.

Chris - I'd have thought it'd be 3 flights of aircraft - that's nine squads + ccs in valks and 3 vultures.
I like my manticore a lot - good rules and a good model. I'm running it with manticore missiles at the moment and it's working quite well. (36-300" S9 AP2 7"blast ordnance, NOT-barrage) Not as reliable as storm eagles and the minimum range can be a bitch but nothing else wipes out a squad of termies quite as well.

ETA- A deathstrike missile is too random to be effective. Three is just hilarious and I strongly recommend it for a fun game.

John that's fairly comprehensive collection. When you say "scout tank", I assume you mean salamander? I have a couple myself, lovely models and much more in character for IG than sentinels imo.

Thanks, Scott. The "scout tank" is a heavily cut-down Chimera. It's conceptually similar to the Panzer 1/F.

I'll relabel it to remove confusion.

Scott: Hmmm, the thing is...I was thinking a company of Valkyries would be about a squadrons worth of aircraft, that's why i went with 9 valks, 3 vultures, but you have a point there....
Ahhhh, good good. Yeah.....hmmm....I think i'll keep the regimental artillery to mainly manticores then. Though I assume that against a horde army the randomness of a deathstrike wouldn't be as big a set back so maybe I'll have a couple of those. =Grins=

John: with your army, is the armor the main assault force, or is it more support? cause you've got a nice armored group....but it seems almost more infantry support than armored fist from what i'm seeing.

@Chris:

If you click on the "Ragnarok 1st Einherjar" IG link in my Sig, you can see that I'm mixed. I've got well over 100 Guardsmen, and nearly a third again as many Stormtroopers. All metal.

In 3E, I played Foot Guard supported by a little armor. In 4E, it was Drop Guard with Ordnance. For Apoc, it was mostly Ordnance, with some Deep-Striking Specials. Now, It's Mech Guard with Ordnance support.

A picture from last year is here:



This is before I bought 20 PBS, 3 Valks & 3 Superheavies.

Lots of very heavily converted vehicles there - looking good. I like your thunderer/destroyer conversions.

Thanks, Scott.

BTW, if you look carefully, the mini-tank you asked about is in front of the "Griffon" next to the Hydra..

ETA - Yep, I spotted it, I know the Panzer 1/F

I don't normally let anyone see WIP armies but since John started it...

Nice & gritty. Looks good!

I'm actually planning to move away from the panzergrau Early War look towards something more Late War camo-styled, tho I haven't started painting, because I haven't finished building!