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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/16 16:55:17
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
Philadelphia, PA, USA
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Dreadnoughts have the option to replace the close combat weapon with "twin-linked autocannon or missile launcher." Looking at army lists it seems like most people, including me, would default to treating the missile launcher option as not twin linked. Is there a more definitive reference about that? It seems definitely ambiguous, and I didn't see anything super conclusive around these forums, the INAT FAQ, the GW FAQ, or online.
Thx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/16 16:56:32
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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tjkopena wrote:Dreadnoughts have the option to replace the close combat weapon with "twin-linked autocannon or missile launcher." Looking at army lists it seems like most people, including me, would default to treating the missile launcher option as not twin linked. Is there a more definitive reference about that? It seems definitely ambiguous, and I didn't see anything super conclusive around these forums, the INAT FAQ, the GW FAQ, or online. Thx
Does it say the Missile Launcher is twin linked? No, so it isn't! You can have a: Twin Linked Autocannon or Missile Launcher
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2010/05/16 17:17:54
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/16 17:06:33
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
Philadelphia, PA, USA
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Unsurprising mild jackassery aside, does anyone with better manners have any thoughts on the actual question?
For the more challenged among us, I'm fairly sure that no one given the option of enjoying "fresh fruits or vegetables" would assume the vegetables were not fresh, and it's not like GW has a habit of its rules text of being particularly formal. It would by no means be surprising for them to intend but *not* enumerate "fresh fruits or fresh vegetables." I couldn't think of or find any examples of that practice in a quick search, but I did not look at other books yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/16 17:16:51
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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tjkopena wrote:Unsurprising mild jackassery aside, does anyone with better manners have any thoughts on the actual question?
What is your problem? I was not being rude...
Honestly, if it was supposed to be a Twin linked ML, it would say Twin Linked ML.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/16 17:19:48
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Ship's Officer
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The missile launcher is not twin linked. I can see where you are getting your interpretation from, however, but Gwar! is right.
If it doesn't say "TL Autocannon or TL Missile Launcher" then the ML is not twin linked.
Also, if you look at the kit, the launcher is not twin linked in any noticeable way (that is, it doesn't have two missile batteries).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/16 17:22:17
Subject: Re:Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Obergefreiter
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Gwar is spot on, that's just the way it is. It is worded sort of ambigously though, my friend made the same mistake just the other day. It would be much clearer if it said 'missile launcher or twin-linked autocannon'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/16 17:46:14
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
Buffalo NY, USA
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I think Xca|iber has the best explination with "...if you look at the kit, the launcher is not twin linked ...". This is the corroborating evidence that the OP is looking for. Remeber that officially equipment and weapons need to be represented on the model, if the kit comes with a single ML and the rules don't mention the ML being twin-linked then it is not twin-linked.
Nice argument with the Fruits and Vegitables though, I'll have to remember that one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 02:04:05
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
Philadelphia, PA, USA
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Yeah, thanks Xcaliber. I've never really used Dreadnoughts much except throwing a Black Reach model out there sometimes so I've never seen the kit but am thinking about it. That's the kind of thing I was looking for.
Thx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 02:09:46
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Mounted Kroot Tracker
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ComputerGeek01 wrote:I think Xca|iber has the best explination with "...if you look at the kit, the launcher is not twin linked ...". This is the corroborating evidence that the OP is looking for. Remeber that officially equipment and weapons need to be represented on the model, if the kit comes with a single ML and the rules don't mention the ML being twin-linked then it is not twin-linked.
Nice argument with the Fruits and Vegitables though, I'll have to remember that one.
However, the rules don't always coincide with the models.
It's a shame that GW doesn't right their rules correctly with brackets.
ie:
twin-linked (auto-cannon or missile launcher)
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(twin linked autocannon) or missile launcher
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 02:16:41
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Regular Dakkanaut
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tjkopena wrote:Unsurprising mild jackassery aside, does anyone with better manners have any thoughts on the actual question?
whoa whoa whoa... there was nothing wrong with what Gwar said... And he also demonstrated that it is an exclusive disjunction quite clearly with the former option having an adjective. The fact of the matter is that the guidebook is terribly written and ought to have two entries whenever such a confusion could occur.
tjkopena wrote:For the more challenged among us, I'm fairly sure that no one given the option of enjoying "fresh fruits or vegetables" would assume the vegetables were not fresh, and it's not like GW has a habit of its rules text of being particularly formal. It would by no means be surprising for them to intend but *not* enumerate "fresh fruits or fresh vegetables." I couldn't think of or find any examples of that practice in a quick search, but I did not look at other books yet.
As I said, the guidebook is terribly written, it is not formal and as such, you must use the community's collective knowledge to understand the guidebook's actual meaning. As such, a twin-linked missile launcher for 10 points wont happen, when an absurdity happens, question it and play it the sensible way; and then look at the sprue and realize that its not a twin-linked missile launcher.
Oh and realize that text can betray the writer and the reader, gwar did not say anything that can be seen as "jackassery".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 02:28:35
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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No, not a jerk.
Mild case of pedantry though.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 02:31:19
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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visavismeyou wrote:
Nightwatch wrote:It's a shame that GW doesn't right their rules correctly with brackets
"Write"
god i'm a jerk
I thought the same thing at first, then I realized that GW's rules often fall flat... and the only way to 'right' them would be to improve their terminology and grammar usage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 02:31:32
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Making Stuff
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visavismeyou wrote:"Write"
god i'm a jerk
There's an old saying about glass houses. In the interests of keeping the boards civil and flame-free, maybe you should worry more about your own grammar and punctuation and less about others' spelling, hmm?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 03:51:44
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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insaniak wrote:There's an old saying about glass houses. In the interests of keeping the boards civil and flame-free, maybe you should worry more about your own grammar and punctuation and less about others' spelling, hmm?
Is it ironic to tell subtly insult someones grammer and puncuation after telling them to be civil and not flame or is it just hypocritical?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 04:26:30
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Making Stuff
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Joetaco wrote:Is it ironic to tell subtly insult someones grammer and puncuation after telling them to be civil and not flame or is it just hypocritical?
That wasn't an insult. It was a moderator pointing out that a poster who is taking it upon themselves to correct others should get their own house in order first, in order to avoid the almost inevitable backlash.
Of course, the better option would be to just accept that not everyone has a perfect command of the English language and let the little things slide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 04:27:31
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/17 04:32:24
Subject: Dreadnought Twin Linked Weapons
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Regular Dakkanaut
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insaniak wrote:Joetaco wrote:Is it ironic to tell subtly insult someones grammer and puncuation after telling them to be civil and not flame or is it just hypocritical?
That wasn't an insult. It was a moderator pointing out that a poster who is taking it upon themselves to correct others should get their own house in order first, in order to avoid the almost inevitable backlash.
Of course, the better option would be to just accept that not everyone has a perfect command of the English language and let the little things slide.
or it was a joke which, as text often goes, failed, please note the post has been deleted.
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