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Pedro Kantor

7 Sternguard 2 combi-melta 2 combi-flamer (in LRC /w Pedro)
7 Sternguard 2 combi-melta 2 combi-flamer in rhino
6 Sternguard 2 combi-melta 2 combi-flamer in rhino

5 sniper scouts /w camo cloaks
5 sniper scouts /w camo cloaks

ACLC Predator
ACLC Predator

LRC-EA,MM

C & C pls! im new with pedro kantor.
What i plan to push forward with the landraider and rhinos while the predators provide cover for the snipers to stay in place as long as possible. Will use sternguards to get objectives if the scouts fail.

I like it. Another thing you could do is also put them in drop pods. Also very devistating.
if you could I would add missle launchers to your scout squads. Just because missle launchers are so good.

Thanks but i have bad experience with pods... people tend to reserve everything and then end up in the open and get shot up..

Ive never tried sternguards in pods yet as ive not use pedro kantor b4. Are they more resilient?

Ive never tried sternguards in pods yet as ive not use pedro kantor b4. Are they more resilient?

No they die just as quickly as normal marines.

As for your list.

It looks pretty solid, I'd tend to go with more combis though and try to up the squads to 10 men even if that means only taking 2.

Also you're goinmg with a LR as a transport for a unit that you don't seem to intend to assault with. Remember Pedro gives you +1A so on the charge those Sternguard are getting 4 attacks each so havin 1 squad equiped for assault might be useful otherwise I don't really see the value in the Land Raider and you're better off with just Rhinos and then more dakka or bodies elsewhere...

lascannon hbolter preds are substantially more versitile than aclc preds. i'd also give the scouts some missile launchers just because its only 10 pts. give your rhinos extra armor if they don't already have it, consider adding plasma gun to each of the sternguard squads.

Personally i run 2 squads of 5 sternguard (combi plasma, combi melta, plasma gun) in razorbacks, 1 las, 1 ac, but pedro and an epistolary with them, they never fail.

IIRC Pedro doesn't make Sternguard troops

I belive he only makes them scoring.

Grey Templar wrote:IIRC Pedro doesn't make Sternguard troops

I belive he only makes them scoring.

true, but he has 2 scout squads so the list is legal

Joetaco wrote:lascannon hbolter preds are substantially more versitile than aclc preds.

The ACLC pred is great at taking down transports and MCs, the LCHB pred is great at absolutly nothing. It is not more versitile, in fact it is made out of complete and uter fail. The TLLC is the most over costed item in the codex

Ic about the assaulting sternguard squad. How wud you equip a sternguard squad for assaulting?

Have you tried combat squadding sternguards and using one half with Heavy weapons like a devastator squad

Joetaco wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:IIRC Pedro doesn't make Sternguard troops

I belive he only makes them scoring.

true, but he has 2 scout squads so the list is legal

didn't see the scouts.

How would you equip a sternguard unit for assaulting?

Give them a powerfist?

They can take 1 Sergeant level weapon upgrade, maybe 2.

Doesnt seem much more powerful..

Should try making 2 ten men sterns, you then have 2 scoring that you can break into combat squads of 2 (4 total 5 men sterns), if you then take razor backs you can have extra Heavy b's or assault C's, or if ure tank busta master lascans, in either case, take 2 razors split the squads at the beginning, bolt guns with spec ammo and combis in the razors, take heavy 2x heavy weapons in both stern squads (cheap suggestion is multimelta and a heavy B in each giving you a elite and special character tank killing + infantry 3+ hits strength 5, that strength 5 kraken can also glance those armor 10 trucks and rhinos....

Hold objectives with the sterngaurd heavy teams that's a devastator squad you have there split in 2.... & with the special ammunition support on rapid fire (remember kraken bolts can bust tanks and AP3 your armored enemies)...
not to mention your scout squads annoyingly sniping people (recomend a missle launch or heavy b with each of those squads), with those sterngaurd scoring your objectives i tihnk you will be happy.
Now your forward sterngaurd in razors also scoring the enemy objective and you can deploy and embark with pleasure on the way using that special ammunition and combi meltas to bust more tanks further up or nail down tough infantry with your rapid fire and select shots. (and who doesn't go tank heavy these days?? so you have come prepared!)

And who can say this tactic is dirty? no one realy, your not carrying heavy tanks, you have only 1 special character, almost all your army is troop. i use somthing similar to this list for tornis that requiore me to take a certian amont of troop choices.

Sorry first post on dakka, more of a B&C Vet

Vreith wrote:Should try making 2 ten men sterns, you then have 2 scoring that you can break into combat squads of 2 (4 total 5 men sterns), if you then take razor backs you can have extra Heavy b's or assault C's, or if ure tank busta master lascans, in either case, take 2 razors split the squads at the beginning, bolt guns with spec ammo and combis in the razors, take heavy 2x heavy weapons in both stern squads (cheap suggestion is multimelta and a heavy B in each giving you a elite and special character tank killing + infantry 3+ hits strength 5, that strength 5 kraken can also glance those armor 10 trucks and rhinos....

Hold objectives with the sterngaurd heavy teams that's a devastator squad you have there split in 2.... & with the special ammunition support on rapid fire (remember kraken bolts can bust tanks and AP3 your armored enemies)...
not to mention your scout squads annoyingly sniping people (recomend a missle launch or heavy b with each of those squads), with those sterngaurd scoring your objectives i tihnk you will be happy.
Now your forward sterngaurd in razors also scoring the enemy objective and you can deploy and embark with pleasure on the way using that special ammunition and combi meltas to bust more tanks further up or nail down tough infantry with your rapid fire and select shots. (and who doesn't go tank heavy these days?? so you have come prepared!)

And who can say this tactic is dirty? no one realy, your not carrying heavy tanks, you have only 1 special character, almost all your army is troop. i use somthing similar to this list for tornis that requiore me to take a certian amont of troop choices.

Sorry first post on dakka, more of a B&C Vet

Run on sentences and difficult spelling/grammar. Welcome to Dakka. Remember, as mentioned earlier, Sternguard are not Troops, even with Pedro. They just count as scoring units.

Nightwatch wrote:
Run on sentences and difficult spelling/grammar. Welcome to Dakka. Remember, as mentioned earlier, Sternguard are not Troops, even with Pedro. They just count as scoring units.

Yes but he still has the 2 scouts troops. in fact hes freeing up a elite slot this way, he doesn't want drop pods? well razors and rhinos instead...
In anycase a way to speed typed reply so sorry for grammer etc.

Just put my 2 bobs

eiien_88 wrote:Pedro Kantor

awesome character but your not putting his +1 attack radius or his stubborn rule to much use. I would recommend a Librarians also they really can amplify sternguard

7 Sternguard 2 combi-melta 2 combi-flamer (in LRC /w Pedro)
7 Sternguard 2 combi-melta 2 combi-flamer in rhino
6 Sternguard 2 combi-melta 2 combi-flamer in rhino

needs more combi weapons, personally break them down into 5 and 6 man teams and place them into Razorback since you don't like drop pods

5 sniper scouts /w camo cloaks
5 sniper scouts /w camo cloaks

I would take the Missile Launcher to add some more firepower

ACLC Predator
ACLC Predator

I have been using these more and more they are indeed full of win, if you got the extra points. If you don't I still love Dakka Preds.

LRC-EA,MM

This is kinda odd ball in your list...

Vreith wrote:

Nightwatch wrote:
Run on sentences and difficult spelling/grammar. Welcome to Dakka. Remember, as mentioned earlier, Sternguard are not Troops, even with Pedro. They just count as scoring units.

Yes but he still has the 2 scouts troops. in fact hes freeing up a elite slot this way, he doesn't want drop pods? well razors and rhinos instead...
In anycase a way to speed typed reply so sorry for grammer etc.

Just put my 2 bobs

You mentioned earlier you were in a game with a specified number of Troops units. I was trying to remind you that you only have two, if this specified number was more than that.

Ok how about this

Pedro Kantor

10 sternguard
- 5 sternguard /w 4-combi weapons in rhino
- 5 sternguard /w 2 Lascannons

10 sternguard
- 5 sternguard /w 4-combi weapons in rhino
- 5 sternguard /w 2 Lascannons

6 sternguard 5 combi-weapons in TL HB razorback

5 scouts sniper /w ML
5 scouts sniper /w ML

ACLC predator
ACLC predator

Hows that? seems a waste to leave sternguard in the open as devastators cause they might get killed easily.
Should i not combat squad them and just put 10 in a rhino instead?

No.

thats a good list.

From the final list I'd drop one of the scout MLs at the end of the day you aren't reliant on them ever killing anything anyway. That way you can up grade both Sternguard strandports to Razorbacks.

I'd be tempted to drop a sternguard from the 6 man team and the other ML to upgrade a razorback to assault cannon or las-plas..

Yes i realize the scout missile launchers were redundant as their points could be used for something better. Id use the points to upgrade the razorback instead.Probably an assault cannon.

It looks like i have a lot of lascannon fire. Would the special ammo bolters from the sternguard handle horde armies well enough? or should i change the heavy waepons on the sternguards to MLs giving it more diversity

I do feel that without the landraider im not utilizing Pedro Kantors +1 attack rule. Do i really need that? or is just shooting good enough

I do feel that without the landraider im not utilizing Pedro Kantors +1 attack rule. Do i really need that? or is just shooting good enough

The +1 attack rule is a good benefit yet doesn't fit into your list at all but at least you aren't throwing points into a LR that still doesn't hugely benefit from the +1A.

Your list has good balance, yes dealing with hordes could be an issue.

But by dropping one of the Sternguard devastator squads down to 2 Heavy flamers (keeping their rhino) and keeping that 10 man then you can have the other squad in an upgraded razorback so you now have 15 sternguard and Pedro advancing on the opposition held objectives rather than just 10. You'll still have 6-7 Lascannons for dealing with mech. Nidzilla will just get pawned by you, MEQ will struggle as you can pop a lot of their transports in turn 1 and nail their infantry with spec ammo.

Whilst against hordes the spec ammo and the heavy flamer can be devastating. 1 Heavy flamer and 5 rapidfiring sternguard killed 15 Orks for me in a single round of shooting!

Ic ic.

Where do you find the bitz for a heavy flamer on a marine?
interesting though ill try it.

Many people just use Terminator Heavy flamer arm cut to fit Marine. Personally I use Multi-melta devastators with the ends cut off and replaced with flamer ends.