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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Eternal Plague

It is bad for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8688104.stm

Eating processed meat such as sausages increases the likelihood of heart disease, while red meat does not seem to be as harmful, a study suggests.

A Harvard University team which looked at studies involving over one million people found just 50g of processed meat a day also raised the risk of diabetes.

But there was no such risk from eating even twice as much unprocessed meat, such as beef, lamb or pork.

This was despite the fact the two forms of meat have a similar fat content.

Writing in the journal Circulation, the researchers speculated that given the similar quantities of cholesterol and saturated fats, the difference may be explained by the salt and preservatives added to processed meats.

This is defined as any meat preserved by smoking, curing or salting and includes bacon, sausages, salami and other luncheon meats.

Salt can increase blood pressure in some people, a key risk factor for heart disease.

In animal experiments, nitrate preservatives can promote atherosclerosis and reduce glucose tolerance, which can in turn lead to heart problems and diabetes.

Similar lifestyle

The team from Harvard School of Public Health looked at 20 studies involving more than one million participants from 10 countries.

On average, each 50g serving of processed meat per day - the equivalent of a sausage or a couple of rashers of bacon - was associated with a 42% higher chance of developing coronary heart disease and a 19% higher risk of diabetes.

Although cause-and-effect cannot be proven by these types of long-term observational studies, all of these studies adjusted for other risk factors," said Renata Micha, lead author.

"Also, the lifestyle factors associated with eating unprocessed meats and processed meats were similar, but only processed meats were linked to higher risk."

Victoria Taylor, senior heart health dietician at the British Heart Foundation, said: "If you like red meat, this can still be included as part of a balanced heart-healthy diet.

"Go for lean cuts and aim to cook from scratch using healthier cooking methods like grilling or baking. If you need to add flavour, then try using fresh and dried herbs, spices and chillies instead of salt."

A spokesman for BPEX, which represents pork producers, insisted processed meats could form part of a balanced diet.

He suggested further research was needed before any dietary recommendations could be made.

"Various studies indicate that high consumption of processed meat can be indicative of an overall poorly balanced diet: therefore it could be other aspects of the diet that are contributing to the increase in risk," he added.


So while we are on that topic, what do you eat that scientists say is bad for you and how much do you really care what they say about things that are bad for you?

I, guilty as charged, am fond of hamburgers. Oh there are more things I could throw on that list, but hamburgers are really good.

And pickles. I eat all the pickles in a pickle jar, then swallow the pickle juice, then race to the bathroom about an hour later as everything comes out. That can't be too healthy either.


   
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Killer Klaivex






Forever alone

I eat things like bacon and sausage maybe... what, once a month? My family eats quite healthily nowadays. My mother started eating carefully when her blood pressure got bad and I gained weight, and now things are working well.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Pretty much everything.
   
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God






Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways

Nothing is bad for you IN MODERATION. It is just when you have 8 sausages poking you in the face every morning for years that things start to go wrong.

A fried breakfast every week or two is not going to kill you, but a fry up every day with take out for dinner and a pack of biscuits for lunch is going to cut your life short.

Besides, you can make "processed" food yourself to make it healther - I love home made burgers, meatballs, etc. Plus you can add or remove whatever you want from them. I add chilli and spice to most things

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Burtucky, Michigan

Soladrin wrote:Pretty much everything.


That would be me, and anything I eat healthy is easily made up for in the amount of whole milk I consume. Gallon challenge? PFF easily done my friends.

Also I dont really care what the "scientists found" to be bad, because they change their minds all the friggin time. Eggs are good, eggs are bad, no wait.....OK eggs are good....no no no the yellow part is bad the white part is good.....unless you eat the yellow part on certain Sundays of the year because the lunar pull makes them good.

And everything we eat/make today will give us cancers of everything anyways. So I guess if you have to die from it, might as well of tasted good going in
   
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Evasive Eshin Assassin






last i heard vegetable were bad for you now so what the feth are we supposed to eat?
   
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker






Everything. Eat the widest range of foods you can. If you have too much of one thing you're asking for trouble. Especially vegetables. 5-a-day is actually a plot by the Green Giant.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






KingCracker wrote:
Soladrin wrote:Pretty much everything.


That would be me, and anything I eat healthy is easily made up for in the amount of whole milk I consume. Gallon challenge? PFF easily done my friends.

Also I dont really care what the "scientists found" to be bad, because they change their minds all the friggin time. Eggs are good, eggs are bad, no wait.....OK eggs are good....no no no the yellow part is bad the white part is good.....unless you eat the yellow part on certain Sundays of the year because the lunar pull makes them good.

And everything we eat/make today will give us cancers of everything anyways. So I guess if you have to die from it, might as well of tasted good going in


That, good sir, is exactly my stance on the whole health department.

Same for smoking too btw, if I'm gonna die of cancer anyway, I'd better make it worth it.
Besides, smoked meat spoil's slower.
   
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You can ignore most of the 'increases risk' scaremongering. If you are increasing your chance from tiny to ever-so-slightly less tiny it's fine. Other things are less cool. Sunbeds are going to give you problems after a decade, try not to get liver fibrosis and smoking is, if you'll forgive me, moronic with the amount of evidence linking it to morbidity and mortality.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Soup and a roll wrote:You can ignore most of the 'increases risk' scaremongering. If you are increasing your chance from tiny to ever-so-slightly less tiny it's fine. Other things are less cool. Sunbeds are going to give you problems after a decade, try not to get liver fibrosis and smoking is, if you'll forgive me, moronic with the amount of evidence linking it to morbidity and mortality.


I forgive, I don't mind what people think of it, as long as they don't actively harass me with it.
   
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Enigmatic Sorcerer of Chaos






There's mercury in the Fish. There are pesticides on the fruits and veggies. There is sawdust and rat turds in the meat. I personally try no to eat food that was prepared in a factory, i.e. chips, canned sauces, mass produced condamints, etc. but sometimes you just gotta tear into that slim jim.

Scarmonngering is the way of the world. If you were semi-concious in the 80s you should remember acid-rain. I remember when margarine was heralded as being great for you, when all it is is greasy yellow plastic.
   
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Battleship Captain






I eat pretty healthily, tho i do enjoy sweets and such.

However, I always work off what I eat, moreso now that I'm training for a race.
   
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller





Trondheim

I eat fish and other healthy stuff, and I also much down a chocolate at times. As mentioned before in this tread, eat varied and not too much of anything

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Sinewy Scourge







Wow...
I seem to think that every week or so there is a new GROUND BREAKING STUDY that apparently is really important but is just DUMB.
I seem to recall last year or so there was a study that basically said if you don't get at least 7-8 of sleep AFAIK then you die earlier.
Next one probably is going to be 'if you wake up and one of your b***s is lower than the other you will die of cancer in a week'.
These don't even seem plausible after a while.
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KingCracker wrote:Also I dont really care what the "scientists found" to be bad, because they change their minds all the friggin time. Eggs are good, eggs are bad, no wait.....OK eggs are good....no no no the yellow part is bad the white part is good.....unless you eat the yellow part on certain Sundays of the year because the lunar pull makes them good.


That's only the case if you take the reports in the media as representative of the science. Science itself is building a very sophisticated understanding of nutrition. The media is skimming that picking out random articles and using them to say 'wine reduces cancer!' on Monday, and 'wine causes cander' on Tueday.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Dallas, TX

sebster wrote:That's only the case if you take the reports in the media as representative of the science. Science itself is building a very sophisticated understanding of nutrition. The media is skimming that picking out random articles and using them to say 'wine reduces cancer!' on Monday, and 'wine causes cander' on Tueday.
Apparently it also impedes typing

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usernamesareannoying wrote:last i heard vegetable were bad for you now so what the feth are we supposed to eat?


Corpse Starch.
   
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JEB_Stuart wrote:
sebster wrote:That's only the case if you take the reports in the media as representative of the science. Science itself is building a very sophisticated understanding of nutrition. The media is skimming that picking out random articles and using them to say 'wine reduces cancer!' on Monday, and 'wine causes cander' on Tueday.
Apparently it also impedes typing


I’ m not as thikn ass yuo durnk I amm.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Fixture of Dakka




Manchester UK

Wine causes candour.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Oh look, another handle of vodka.

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London

Are these the same scientists who claimed a few weeks ago that foods such as fry-ups were good for you health?

I hardly pay attention to these health claims, as most seem to absurd to be real (one claimed that a winter pregnancy increases the chance of your child developing MS), but I do try to eat as healthy as possible.

Valk
   
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Kamloops, B.C.

Science is to the 21st Century what the Church was to the 15th Century.

Back then, they scared people with "God will send you to Hell for eating an animal on Sunday! Women are sent by Satan! Kill Muslims in the Crusades to save your soul! Hurr!"

Now it's "You're going to die from eating! You're going to die from not eating! Breathing is bad! Breathing is good! You're going to die either way! Hurr!"


Same turd, different century.

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metallifan wrote:Science is to the 21st Century what the Church was to the 15th Century.

Back then, they scared people with "God will send you to Hell for eating an animal on Sunday! Women are sent by Satan! Kill Muslims in the Crusades to save your soul! Hurr!"

Now it's "You're going to die from eating! You're going to die from not eating! Breathing is bad! Breathing is good! You're going to die either way! Hurr!"


Same turd, different century.


It's not that the Science is bad, it's more how it's reported on and treated by the government. The Media these days wields much more power than the Scientists and there's nothing like a good bit of selective journalism and scaremongering to get the money flowing in.

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Forever alone

J.Black wrote:
metallifan wrote:Science is to the 21st Century what the Church was to the 15th Century.

Back then, they scared people with "God will send you to Hell for eating an animal on Sunday! Women are sent by Satan! Kill Muslims in the Crusades to save your soul! Hurr!"

Now it's "You're going to die from eating! You're going to die from not eating! Breathing is bad! Breathing is good! You're going to die either way! Hurr!"


Same turd, different century.


It's not that the Science is bad, it's more how it's reported on and treated by the government. The Media these days wields much more power than the Scientists and there's nothing like a good bit of selective journalism and scaremongering to get the money flowing in.

Maybe so, but I still laughed my arse off.
   
 
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