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especially against chaos space marines.

What army do you have.

A Tyrant Deathstar will play different from Stealer-shock for instance. Are you actually looking for some 2k lists and tactics to use them?

Tervigons and Hive Guard are crucial to any competitive 'nid list. Start there and then go about designing a force to be able to compete in all aspects of the game.

i have :

1 hive tyrant, with:
lash whip & bone sword,
heavy cannon,
Paroxysm,
psychic scream,
Old adversary.

2 tyrant guard with bone swords,

Deathleaper,

3 hive guard,

2 zoanthropes with warp lance and mycetic spore,

2 tervigons with cataclysm, toxin sax and reg.

30 t-gaunts

30 horms,

15 gargoyles

total 2k

willydstyle wrote:Tervigons and Hive Guard are crucial to any competitive 'nid list. Start there and then go about designing a force to be able to compete in all aspects of the game.

Partially incorrect. Depending on the build (All-drop/etc), Zoanthroapes can be used in place of Hive Guard provided lighter transport suppression options are covered elsewhere (be through Harpies or Brainleechfexes).

MagicJuggler wrote:

willydstyle wrote:Tervigons and Hive Guard are crucial to any competitive 'nid list. Start there and then go about designing a force to be able to compete in all aspects of the game.

Partially incorrect. Depending on the build (All-drop/etc), Zoanthroapes can be used in place of Hive Guard provided lighter transport suppression options are covered elsewhere (be through Harpies or Brainleechfexes).

I'll grant the point.

I guess I should say that any competitive nid list starts with tervigons and some sort of anti-transport.

The Tervigons allow you to play much more aggressive because you can FNP your units and don't have to worry as much about losing scoring units.

I think your list sounds pretty solid. I would probably cut out the Tgaunts since your tervigon is pumping out 2 units a turn and use those points torwards a trygon, tyrannofex, Doom, etc. also 30 horms is a bit much. I find that 20 is more maneuverable on the table. make sure they have toxin sacs... they are a must.

shaunzo wrote:I think your list sounds pretty solid. I would probably cut out the Tgaunts since your tervigon is pumping out 2 units a turn

I'm not sure you understand how a Tervigon works. You're guaranteed to get one squad of gaunts per Tervigon each game. If you get a double on the 3d6 it can't do it anymore. Termagaunt spawn usage is a tricky thing to work with. You could try and use it every turn to get maximum gaunts, but the earlier they're spawned the more time the opponent has to kill them. Alternatively you can use it late in the game and drop a guaranteed squad where you want it on turn 4+ for a precision assault or objective hold. Plan for having only one spawn per Tervigon each game because multiple are never guaranteed. Further, by keeping the gaunts in a list you allow Tervigons to be taken as troops.

true but still... your gonna need some hard hitting, multi wound, Armor save ignoring creatures. Gaunts are usually gonna die regardless and if you dont give your opponent something else to shoot at they are put all the fire into those tervies. Trust me on this, the more priority targets you present the better chance you have of overall survival and victory.

I agree with Shaunzo, you can have too many mobile cover saves. Gaunts do not do a lot. With the Gargs as well that is 75 harassers that can not do much to armour.

If you drop a few gaunts you get points for giving the Tyrant Hive Commander (so Hormies or Tervigon can outflank), put Adrenal Glands on the Tervigons and get the third Zoanthrope for better anti-tank.

I would give the Tyrant guard Whips instead of swords and Tyrant wants Armoured Shell to shrug off Krak Missiles. You then still have enough points for either a T-fex or Trygon.

2000 point Swarm
285 1 hive tyrant, with: Sword/Whip, HVC, Old adversary, Hive Commander, Armoured Shell
130 2 tyrant guard with Whips
140 Deathleaper
150 3 hive guard
230 3 zoanthropes and mycetic spore with Cluster Spines
450 2 tervigons with catalysis, toxin sax and reg, Adrenal Glands
100 20 t-gaunts
160 20 hormies with Toxic Sacs
90 15 gargoyles
265 Tyrannofex w/ Rupture Cannon

Personally I do not rate the Heavy Venom Cannon at all but have left in in for now. Devs are better at stunning tanks but have shorter range and Stranglethorn is good for taking out Havoc squads. The other option is to give him Regen and build up your Tyrant Deathstar unit.

Tactics will depend a bit on the opponent. However as a guide I would set up centre table with -
Gargoyles
Hormagunts
Tyrant & Guard, Tervigon-1, T-fex, Hive Guard

Then have Tgaunts-1 on Objective

Reserves: Deathleaper, Tgaunts-2, Tergivon-2 (outflanking), Zoanthropes in pod (Deep Strike)

Tervigon gives Gargoules FNP. T-fex and Guard shoot everything else in the central blob runs forward.
Gargoyles should make combat on second turn, with the rest following soon after.

I frequently play against a friends army made up of nothing but lash princes, plague marines, and oblits. Its a very tough match up for the bugs.

What I have found is good target priority and keeping your cool will generally let you just grind them down.

Can i give you a defferant PoV. trade ouy your hive guard for ymgarl genestealers. you can choose terrain after your opponate has deployed, and the ability to pounce on the turn you come in, added to the no scatter, is just enough, awesome to down a D.Prince, or hold a unit by being t5. Assassinating Oblits and havocs works wonders too. You don't need to worring about popping transpors with your counter assault, let them come.

I've found Ymgarls to be enormously effective, too. In the last game I played with them, a couple of days ago, an 8-strong squad of Ymgarls killed a five-man Chaos Marine Squad when they arrived on Turn 2, then got charged by a Defiler and blew it up with no casualties before it even had a chance to strike back, then took out another 5-man CSM squad and were having a go at the Land Raider that was my opponent's final unit, when he conceded at the end of Turn 5. I only lost 3 Ymgarls the whole game!

The ability to get +1 Toughness if you're assaulting through cover (and so striking last), or +1 Strength against vehicles, or +1 Attack if you're assaulting in the open, is incredibly handy, too.

ymgarls are great, but on another topic i've already decided theyr too expensive for my army...

Ive spent too much money on hive guard and zoanthropes to switch them out for ymgarls. And the hive guard are doing great for me.

bah, they are priced about right for what they do, even a little less. 115 points broke 1k of sm at ardboys here in the ATL. switing out one unit of zoanthropes shoud be enough. 4+ saves, the ability to assault after deepstriking, and the choosable buffs, borderline OP.much better than all the dice rolls needed to get Zoans to work.