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A friend of mine wants to know what a really good dreadnaught is for a dreadnaught based list. How good is the Iron Clad Dread Naught and is it better then the regular or venerable?
What kinds of weapon options would be good for it?

If hes going for a dreadnought list go with blood angels. They can have 3 elite, 3 heavy and if you really want 5 as troop choices (you can take 1 for every 5 death company marines. so one 25 man death company unit). They even have an option to make the furioso into a librarian furioso dreadnought.

He has Vanilla Marines and is set to do it with them for now. So is the Iron Clad any good?

yeah the extra av makes some difference.
a favourite tactic of mine was to drop pod it in equipped with 2 hvy flamers (against infantry)
or meltas it can soak up quite a bit of fire and if it survives till turn 2 it'll rip arses apart

i think the ven is expensive but it has its uses
and i only use the normal as a weapons platform ie missles and plasma or las etc

I run an Ironclad and a Venerable in Drop Pods in all of my tourney lists.

I like to have a Heavy Flamer and a Melta Gun on the Ironclad for versatility, and the Seismic Hammer is just amazing. It's particularly nice for tying up large mobs of Boyz or Space Marines, because S8 isn't really reliable against AV13, and that's only if they brought a fist. I love Ironclads...

Matt65 wrote:If hes going for a dreadnought list go with blood angels. They can have 3 elite, 3 heavy and if you really want 5 as troop choices (you can take 1 for every 5 death company marines. so one 25 man death company unit). They even have an option to make the furioso into a librarian furioso dreadnought.

Granted, that's a completely non-scoring list, but hey.

I can't say anything about the Ironclad (just wait, there is a point coming with this) as I run Space Wolves and only have Vanilla and Venerable. However, I will say that our one and only Av13 Dread can take a serious punch. Haven't played Bjorn myself, but one of the other Wolf players at my FLGS actually does, and has used him to great effect. Apparently he took nothing but Shaken/Stunned hits throughout 3 games at 'Ard Boyz. While I can't say much about the Ironclad unit itself, I can attest to the fact (well, chance) that Av13 on a Dread can be well worth the cost.

Locclo wrote:

Granted, that's a completely non-scoring list, but hey.

yes, its a bit of a "for fun list", but you know if someone pulled out what like 11 dreadnoughts the next time you played, Even a battle harden space marine would think OH GOD. If you get lucky and kill everything on the board you still win. so there is a chance. A very slim one.

Ironclad Dreadnoughts are pretty brutal. Considering in close combat opposing models have to strike the front armor (13 in this case) they're pretty survivable. Taking a Master of the Forge lets you cram 6 in an army list if you really want that many.

Matt65 wrote:

Locclo wrote:

Granted, that's a completely non-scoring list, but hey.

yes, its a bit of a "for fun list", but you know if someone pulled out what like 11 dreadnoughts the next time you played, Even a battle harden space marine would think OH GOD. If you get lucky and kill everything on the board you still win. so there is a chance. A very slim one.

I just tried it out(with 7 at 1500). It's a brutal list when it makes it to combat. Just so happens, we rolled Annihilation as the mission(so the fact that I had no scoring didn't matter, but he was running an Astorath DC list, so he had none, either).

I practically tabled him(only Astorath remained alive and that's because he ran like a wussy). Won at 9 KP to 6KP.