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First off I know this post has 2 army lists in it but I don't frrl that it needs to be in the list thread I am looking for advice on which to play and why..........

2500 point CSM Army List Ard Boyz Semi-finals List

HQ- Daemon Prince Lash/ Wings/ Mark of Slaanesh
155 points

HQ- Daemon Prince Lash/ Wings/ Mark of Slaanesh
155 points

Troops- 8 Noise Marines and Noise Champion
7 sonic blasters/ power weapon/ doom siren/ meltabomb
Rhino- Transport
280 points

Troops- 8 Noise Marines
7 sonic blasters/ blastmaster
Rhino- Transport havoc launcher
280 points

Troops- 6 Plague Marines and Plauge Champion
2 plasma guns/ power fist/meltabomb
Rhino- Transport havoc launcher
286 points

Troops- 7 Noise Marines and Noise Champion
7 sonic blasters/ power weapon/ doom siren/ meltabomb
Rhino- Transport
280 points

Fast Attack- 7 Raptors and Champion
2 meltaguns/Icon of Slaanesh/meltabombs
215 points

Elites- Dreadnaught 2 CCW/ extra armour
115 points

Elites- Dreadnaught 2 CCW/ extra armour
115 points

Elites- Dreadnaught 2 CCW/ extra armour
115 points

Heavy- Defiler 1 extra CCW/ Reaper AC
150

Heavy- Defiler 1 extra CCW/ Reaper AC
150

Heavy- 3 Obliterators
225


I have 3 vindicators, 6 more oblits, 1 more defiler, 3 more squads of noise marines, another squad of plague marines and sveral regular csm with all kinds of weaponry that I am not using. i can field 9 oblits or 3 vindicators or any combination in the heavy slot except for land raiders cause I don't like the chaos ones.


HQ

GHAZGHULL THRAKA - power klaw, big shoota, furious charge, mob rule, prophet of the waaagh, adamantium skull, bosspole, cybork body, mega armour
225 pts.

MAD DOK GROTSNIK - 'urty syringe, power klaw, slugga, fearless, furious charge, one scalpel short of a medpack, waaagh, cybork body, dok's tools
160 pts.

TROOPS

'ARD BOYZ - 18 boyz, choppa & slugga, furious charge, mob rule, waaagh, 'eavy armour
'ARD BOYZ NOB - 1 nob, power klaw, slugga, furious charge, mob rule, waaagh, 'eavy armour, bosspole
230 pts.

BOYZ - 11 boyz, choppa & slugga, furious charge, mob rule, waagh
BOYZ NOB - power klaw, slugga, furious charge, bosspole, mob rule, waaagh
TRUKK - 1 big shoota, ramshackle, grot rigger, red paint, reinforced ram, armour plates, stikkbomb chukka
177 pts.

BOYZ - 11 boyz, choppa & slugga, furious charge, mob rule, waagh
BOYZ NOB - power klaw, slugga, furious charge, bosspole, mob rule, waaagh
TRUKK - 1 big shoota, ramshackle, grot rigger, red paint, reinforced ram, armour plates, stikkbomb chukka
177 pts.

BOYZ - 26 boyz, choppa & slugga, 2 big shoota, furious charge, mob rule, waagh
BOYZ NOB - power klaw, slugga, furious charge, bosspole, mob rule, waaagh
212 pts.

BOYZ- 19 boyz, choppa & slugga, furious charge, mob rule, waagh
BOYZ NOB- power klaw, slugga, bosspole, furious charge, mob rule, waagh
160 points

GRETCHIN- 10 grots, blasta, it's a grots's life
RUNTHERD- grabba stikk, slugga, squig hound, furious charge, mob rule, waagh
40 points

ELITES

KOMMANDOS - 14, choppa & slugga, 2 burna, furious charge, mob rule, infiltrate, move through cover, waaagh
BOSS SNIKROT - ambush, killa reputation, mork's teeth, furious charge, infiltrate, mob rule, move through cover, waaagh
255 pts.

NOBZ - 9 nobz, 7 big choppa, 2 power klaw, 7 slugga, 1 shoota/rokkit combi-weapon, 1 shoota/ scorcha combi-weapon, feel no pain, furious charge, mob rule, waaagh, 9 'eavy armour, 1 ammo runt, 1 bosspole, 1 waaagh banner
PAINBOY - 'urty syringe, furious charge, mob rule, waaagh, dok's tools
BATTLEWAGON - 2 big shoota, 'ard case, grabbin' klaw, grot rigger, red paint
523 pts.


HEAVY SUPPORT

BATTLEWAGON - 2 big shoota, 'ard case, grabbin' klaw, grot riggers, red paint
130 pts.


FAST ATTACK

1 DEFFKOPTA - 1 buzzsaw, choppa, 1 twin linked rokkit launcha, furious charge, hit & run, mob rule, scouts
70 pts.

1 DEFFKOPTA - 1 buzzsaw, choppa, 1 twin linked rokkit launcha, furious charge, hit & run, mob rule, scouts
70 pts.

1 DEFFKOPTA - 1 buzzsaw, choppa, 1 twin linked rokkit launcha, furious charge, hit & run, mob rule, scouts
70 pts.

This about all the greenskin stuff I have....
Da Dok goes with the ard boyz and ghaz with the nobs, the other 19 and nob ride in the other wagon.

Been playin the CSM army for going on 3 years, really comfortable with it and know the weak spots and how to play accordingly. I recently got the orks to where they are.......I chose to play the greenskins at the prelims of ard boyz and scored 66 and got a ticket. I can't seem to decide on which to play for round 2..........Last time I played CSM both times and finishsed 5th in semis.

I am going in totally blind cause I have never been to the store I am playing the semis at.......but I know both armies and how to play them.

Thoughts? Advice on how you would approch it?

Thanks in advance,

I don't like your ork list so much. I don't know enough about the chaos marines to comment.

Ghazghkull lets you take a nob unit as a troop choice; why aren't you using it? They could be a scoring unit. With a dedicated transport battlewagon. You could replace the 'Ard Boyz, since that's a wasted 4 points per model. And that would give you room for two units of 5 Lootas to add some fire support.

Eh, then again you've got battlewagons and no Big Mek. Take the dual lash.

the ard boz mob and the dok never got below 11 models plus the dok all day, that kinda seems worth the +4 points per dude...and FNP from the dok. I did have the nobs as troops for a while but ended up throwing in the grots and runtherd last minute instead and moved them to the elites slot. I do wish I had the KFF mek in there as I do have the model but really didn't need it much in round 1 and the wagons weathered a ton of fire all day, especially from SW(Loganwing) game 2 of the prelim.

The ard boyz actually preformed really well for me but I am not totally against taking them out but I did say that this is pretty much all the greenskins I got. I think I have 5 more deffkoptas with twin rokkits, another Battlewagon and a kff big mek, that is pretty much it though, oh and 1 deffdread!

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I'd drop the foot boys like they were hot and make the nobz troops again giving them a BW DT.
And as always where's the KFF


The ork list is straddling two roles and what I see happening is a decent player with drop pods, or myeptic spores splitting your army in twain, popping a couple of transports that have rushed ahead etc.