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HQ

Ghazghkull = 225

Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field = 85

Elites

5 Lootaz = 75

5 Lootaz = 75

1 Painboy w/ Cybork Body
5 Nobz w/ 3 Power Klawz, Cybork Bodiez, Waaagh! Banner, Big Choppa, Twinlinked Shoota, Kombi Shoota-Skorcha, Bosspole = 290
1 Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Armor Platez, Grot Riggaz, Big Shoota, Grabbin Klaw, Boarding Plank = 140

Troops
1 Painboy w/ Cybork Body
5 Nobz w/ 3 Power Klawz, Cybork Bodiez, Waaagh! Banner, 2 Big Choppaz, Kombi Shoota-Skorcha, Bosspole = 290
1 Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Armor Platez, Grot Riggaz, Big Shoota, Grabbin Klaw, Boarding Plank = 140

1 Nob w/ Power Klaw, Bosspole
19 Boyz = 190

1 Nob w/ Power Klaw, Bosspole
19 Boyz = 190

1 Nob w/ Power Klaw, Bosspole
19 Boyz = 190

1 Runtherds
13 Grotz = 49

Fast Attack
1 Deffkopta w/ Twinlinked Rokkit Launcha, Buzzsaw = 70

1 Deffkopta w/ Twinlinked Rokkit Launcha, Buzzsaw = 70

Heavy Support

1 Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Armor Platez, Grot Riggaz, Big Shoota, Grabbin Klaw, Boarding Plank = 140

1 Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Armor Platez, Grot Riggaz, Big Shoota, Grabbin Klaw, Boarding Plank = 140

1 Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Armor Platez, Grot Riggaz, Big Shoota, Grabbin Klaw, Boarding Plank = 140


Total: 2499 Points

Is this list good/horendous? Should I have less battlewagons? Big Mek in Battlewagon with cheaper nobz.

Pretty standard ghaz bw list. Very close to what dash runs, I believe he drops 5 lootas, sall squads them and adds coptas to tie up some enemies.

Pretty standard BW list indeed, with some personal touches that you've chosen.

Battlewagons aren't really optimized, but I've posted in your other threads with all the advice I'd retype here pointlessly so....run with it and see how it does. Weigh each unit and how it performs. That's how you get better.

I am thinking of adding a Deff kopta with a saw and rokkit. Should I have 2 of them? I can always take out some lootaz.

Not a bad list tbh.

I know why you've got the grots for, however I'd double the loota unit as gives you more ranged fire power.

You do not need 3 big shootas because when you move 6" you can only fire one anyway. Only benefit if for multiple weapon destroyed results, but being open topped you're already got a disadvantage against anti tank fire, especially melta, so I would also drop the armour plates.

Strangely I run a list like this swapping ghazgkull for a warboss a single nob unit double lootas and deffkopters and mine comes to 2k...I would have thought for 2.5 could have squeezed in what I mentioned plus another nob unit and some other goodies.

mercer wrote:Not a bad list tbh.

I know why you've got the grots for,

Sitting on rear objectives and going to ground...

Yes I know, that's why I said I know for Or it was covering the lootas. Though your boyz in the transports would do a better job as got mass fire power and protected inside the orky tank

All right I have updated the list.

Deff Jaw, I think you need to field this army and see what it looks like on the table.

Deploying 15 Lootas with 5 Battlewagons on the table that move 12" up the table first turn and wherever from there on out....I find that the battlewagons typically obstruct LOS to the Lootas; that's why I run units of 5 in a battlewagon list; less likely to have a bunch of models that can't get LOS to my target.

You have an open elite slot and two fast attacks; in your shoes I would break those Lootas into 2 units of 5 each, and use the other 75 points to buy a second Deffkopta (70 points). Strip off one big shoota from each Battlewagon (since they are assault delivery platforms and not shooting platforms) which frees up another 20 points (25 points total free now).

Your battlewagons have Armor Plates (very important), Grot Riggers (semi important; Big Mek has Mek's Tools.) and Deff Rollas (very important).

You've got 25 points to spend....and the elephant in the room is skimmer lists. Eldar and Dark Eldar primarily. They can dodge on a 3+, so have a 66% chance of ignoring your Deffrollas, and you don't have boarding planks to hammer any lessons home or grabbin' klaws to stop their shenanigans. 25 points will get you five upgrades and you have 5 battlewagons.

I'd pick one of the other (or a mix) and give those upgrades out. Grabbin' klaws work wonders against skimmers so that you can punch them out of the air, but its only on a 4+, so you kind of need multiple grabbin' klaws to ensure success. On the flip side, boarding planks are not only awesome against land raiders, Imperial Guard, anyone with flamers (IG, Salamanders, random other people) but are the ideal anti-dreadnought tool. When I play Ghazghkull Thraka does NOT get out of his battlewagon to waste a Waaaugh! on a dreadnought, and I prefer not to ram them and absorb a STR10 DCCW or a free hitting multi-melta.

This picture is of two battlewagons and a trukk using boarding planks against a deep-striking dreadnought.


Ghazghkull and two nobs get to swing on it without getting out.

On the flipside, boarding planks can't be used against vehicles that have moved more than 12" - and skimmers can move more than 12". A favorite tactic of mine when playing against mech orks (as DE) is to make a wall of empty skimmers:


He had boarding planks but no grabbin' klaws, so I zoomed two raiders up sideways and plopped them down in front of the KFF and Ghazghkull's wagon. They can't boarding plank me because I moved more than 12", there's no grabbin' klaws to make sure that the raiders die, and I have a 66% chance of stopping a Deffrolla - which I did.

Personally, I take both grabbin' klaws and boarding planks on every battlewagon as a "take all comers" tactic. You have some decisions to make.

Alright I am going to add the stuff to it but I am going to have 10 Lootaz.

Deff Jaw wrote:Alright I am going to add the stuff to it but I am going to have 10 Lootaz.

Bah, I quit.

10 lootas are fine, though armour plates are not essential. Deffrollas are debateable, it depends what other ranged anti tank you have and what you are going to take deffrolla it or get out the boarding plank? Both have advantages and disadvantages.

mercer wrote:10 lootas are fine, though armour plates are not essential. Deffrollas are debateable, it depends what other ranged anti tank you have and what you are going to take deffrolla it or get out the boarding plank? Both have advantages and disadvantages.

You and I have *very* different opinions on what makes orks work. Diversity is wonderful, isn't it?

We certainly do, but it does take you 6 months to actually agree with me or you don't listen to me and follow others i.e lootas & deffkopters.

Alright after thinking over what you have said Dash I am going to have 2 5 man units of lootazz.