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Sooooo, his list goes like this.

Ork Warboss/W powerclaw
Pain boy
Orks nob bikers, some with powerklaws and a big choppa

Ork Warboss/W powerclaw
Pain boy
Orks nob bikers, some with powerklaws and a big choppa

Both squads have a waagh banner (+1 Ws, making them Ws 6)

Gretchin squad to hold objective
The bikers have a 5+ invun, 4+armor, normally a 4+ cover and are Toughness 4(5) with two wounds

(1500pts)

My list

HQ
Abaddon the Despoiler-275pts
Chaos Lord w/Blissgiver/Terminator Armour-135pts
Greater Daemon-100pts
Elites
Chaos Dreadnought-Plasma Cannon-105pts
Troops
10x Khorne Beserkers-Champ w/Powerfist-250pts
10x Khorne Beserkers-Champ w/Powerfist-250pts
10x Khorne Beserkers Champ w.Powerfist-250pts
Heavy Support
Chaos Vindicator-115pts
1480pts

Abaddon and the Chaos Lord both cause instant death, Abaddon much more effectively. The vindie also does this. Haven't bothered with DP, as if they manage to get into range ti stun it, its as good as dead. Beserkers will charge/be charge and kill as much of the foes as possible, and the Dreadnought will whittle them off as they draw near.

I WILL NOT USE A LASH DP. Possibly a sorcerer, but the nobs can move 12" and boost 12" staying away from the prince. Next turn they move 12" waagh! and charge 6". Cheers guys

I cant think of anything right now for your CSM. But I will tell you this, your going to have a real tough time beating him with your current build. He will out pace you everywhere. The only thing he really has to worry about is the plasma cannon. A simply charge of one of his mobs and that dred is going down. Or if his grot mob is large enough, he can just tie your dred up in CC for pretty much the whole game.

Personally my advice would be to rethink your list big time.

Might be worth noting that bikes don't benefit from Waaaugh!

Only infantry. Your Lash would do just fine.

I figured we'd see a defiler or two in here since that can instagib nob bikers as well and its dreadnought status makes it particularly fearsome....

Im used to telling SM players to take as many missile launchers as possible. Those insta kill nob bikers too....but Im not familar with CSM

Use something that can outflank or deepstrike to go after the grots. make him peel off one of the bike squads to come back to his objective. If I remember correctly, Oblits can deepstrike. Use them to wipe the grots and the pop bikes from across the board.

Dash is right, a defiler or 2 would rock here.

The problem I see you having is that all your troops are close combact - and as tough as bezerkers are, they can't beat nob bikers.

Good luck with you dread - the chaos players around here have more luck shooting their own army than an opponets!

I'm keeping Abaddon, purely because one of the aforementioned squads charged him and he wiped the floor with them. Updated list

Abaddon-275pts
Lash Sorcerer-125pts

10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts
10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts
10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts
10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts
10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts

Defiler-150pts
Defiler-150pts

More suggestions?
Cheers so far lads

One missile launcher per squad. Is five going to be enogh?

Oblits? LasCans or PlasCans. One is InstantGreenStain the other might bag two wounds ... Then there's the PFisting love.

BTW: I think the best use of AoBR termies is conversion to Oblits.

despoiler52 wrote:One missile launcher per squad. Is five going to be enogh?

I'll replace one with two oblits

Brothererekose wrote:Oblits? LasCans or PlasCans. One is InstantGreenStain the other might bag two wounds ... Then there's the PFisting love.

BTW: I think the best use of AoBR termies is conversion to Oblits.

Cheers for the head up lad
List stands (as of now)
Abaddon-275pts
Lash Sorcerer-125pts

10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts
10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts
10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts
10x Chaos Marines-Missile Launcher-160pts

2x Oblit-150pts
Defiler-150pts
Defiler-150pts

1490pts. Further suggestions would be great