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Hi, another odd question if that's OK. I've looked through the BRB, and am sure I know what I'm talking about, but opponent disagrees.

Playing 40K. Wazdakka flanks the marines and shoots their dreadnought, which is >50% concealed behind an immobilised LR.
Scores a penetrating hit. Dread takes a cover save.

My opponent (marine player) was adamant he received a 3+ save, as the LR had an armour of 14, thus counting as a fortification for purposes of obscured targets.

I disagreed, arguing that the LR counted as an intervening model, and granted a 4+ save.

Tried to argue from the rules, but came back to the same point. He usually knows the rules much better than I do, so I tend to back down in arguments, but I'm starting to think he sometimes gets it wrong...

Thoughts? Should I have stuck to my guns?

Is there anything in the cover saves rules that states the AV of a peice of cover is considered when defining the cover save?

You were right he's just making it up to save his Dread...

I don't know for sure. I'd say a 4+, but for different reasons. It's a large vehicle,it's overbearing (meaning it draws attention away from what's behind it) and it's way larger than a dready.

If the dread was 95% hidden,Id say 3+. At 50%?NO.

It's a 4+.

He was just trying to save his dread.

The table on p21 specifically mentions units "(friends and enemies)" as being a 4+

No mention of "unless they're dead 'ard in which case it's a 3+". He was being a dick.

Know your rules, don't let him take advantage of you. If you don't know the rule make him show you.

now if the closest side of the dread(in lateral inches) was different then the side you could see then it would be a 3+ cover.

It is possible that your friend is remembering some old rule from a previous edition.

Though I never played before 5th, so I wouldn't know.

Tell him that, according to his interpretation, if his dread was obscured behind a hedge he would only get a 5+ cover save. See what he says to that!

time wizard wrote:Tell him that, according to his interpretation, if his dread was obscured behind a hedge he would only get a 5+ cover save. See what he says to that!

Erm... He WOULD get a 5+ save if he was obscured by a hedge.

Page 62, BRB.

The Reason he got a 4+ from the LR as the LR is an intervening model, not a fortification.

Ah, but if the Land Raider was ALSO a hedge, he would still get a 4+ save, because being an intervening model takes precedence?

Nightwatch wrote:Ah, but if the Land Raider was ALSO a hedge, he would still get a 4+ save, because being an intervening model takes precedence?

It would be a 4+ as it would give it two cover saves, a 5+ for being the most bestest hedge ever, and a 4+ for being an intervening model, and you always use the best save available.

Gwar! wrote:

time wizard wrote:Tell him that, according to his interpretation, if his dread was obscured behind a hedge he would only get a 5+ cover save. See what he says to that!

Erm... He WOULD get a 5+ save if he was obscured by a hedge.

Page 62, BRB.

The Reason he got a 4+ from the LR as the LR is an intervening model, not a fortification.

Quite correct, disregard my example, brain went into idle for a bit!

Grey Templar wrote:now if the closest side of the dread(in lateral inches) was different then the side you could see then it would be a 3+ cover.

Yeah. Covered on P62 or the BRB. If the facing he was in was completely obscured by the 'raider he would use a 3+ but not for the reasons he was giving. Sounds like a straw clutch.