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this came up in a game yesterday...

if a tau crisis team deepstrikes, and they scatter onto a piece of terrain, ie the top of a pillbox/bunker do they suffer a mishap or require a dangerous terrain check? normally if the crisis suit was jump packing as part of secondary movment, they would require the dangerous terrain roll, but does this apply if they deepstrike onto it?

second: a unit of broadsides is equiped with shield drones. (2 broadsides, 2 shield drones for a 4 man unit) the unit takes 2 wounds. tau player removes a drone and places a wound on a broadside. question: first can he do this, or does he have to remove both drones first, or remove a single broadside. part 2: if that same unit (now with a full health broadside, a single drone and a wounded broadside) take another wound, does he have to remove the wounded broadside, or can he take off the shield drone?

all i was able to find in the main rules was that you have to remove full models when possible, and that if you allocate wounds to diffrently equiped models you declare whos taking what before saves are made. we could not find a rule either way for this, so we just diced it off and ended up taking the drone away. what im wondering if there are RAW to clarify this.

thanks.

DarthSpader wrote:this came up in a game yesterday...

second: a unit of broadsides is equiped with shield drones. (2 broadsides, 2 shield drones for a 4 man unit) the unit takes 2 wounds. tau player removes a drone and places a wound on a broadside. question: first can he do this, or does he have to remove both drones first, or remove a single broadside. part 2: if that same unit (now with a full health broadside, a single drone and a wounded broadside) take another wound, does he have to remove the wounded broadside, or can he take off the shield drone?

thanks.

This all depends on how the unit is equiped with gear. If the Broadsides are different, as in one has the drone controller and one does not, then you have 3 distinct sets of models in your group. Thus you have 3 places to place wounds. you have B1, B2, and Drones. If you suffer two wounds you may place them however you like on those models. So it is easy to spread them around and not loose models.

On the other hand, if the broadsides were identical. Then as soon as there are 2 wounds done to the broadsides one has to go bye bye. By having different wargear you can have each at 1 wound and not have any removed.

For your first question - If the terrain is difficult or dangerous terrain and you DS into it, you need to take a Dangerous Terrain test on each model that DS in. They only mishap for impassible terrain or for going off the table.

calypso2ts wrote:For your first question - If the terrain is difficult or dangerous terrain and you DS into it, you need to take a Dangerous Terrain test on each model that DS in. They only mishap for impassible terrain or for going off the table.

Or other models.

Which count as impassible terrain

ok so if the unit of broadsides is: 2 broadsides, 1 has shield drones, both have plasma rifles....they take 2 wounds. wound goes on 1 broadside and a drone dies. next round, another wound. this means the broadside dies? leaving a full health BS and a drone? is there a rulebook page refrence for this situation?

DarthSpader wrote:ok so if the unit of broadsides is: 2 broadsides, 1 has shield drones, both have plasma rifles....they take 2 wounds. wound goes on 1 broadside and a drone dies. next round, another wound. this means the broadside dies? leaving a full health BS and a drone? is there a rulebook page refrence for this situation?

Incorrect, because the broadsides, being different, comprise two different wound groups.

If the broadsides were identical, however, you would be correct.

This is all covered in the wound allocation section of the rulebook iirc, but I would also suggest searching this forum for the same topic, as the rulebook does an adequate job at explaining it, but can still leave a lot of confusion.

Also as the 2 broadsides and 2 drones are seperate wound groups(even if the Broadsides are exactly the same; i.e. both with plasma rifles and drone controller with 1 shield drone each) You could take 1 drone and 1 W on a Broadside then take another wound later and place that wound on the shield drone leaving you with the 2 broadsides 1 wounded.

You can only do it this way because you still have a complex unit, the next wound you take after the Shield drones are dead MUST go to the wounded broadside as you are left with only the 1 wound group and must remove whole models whenever possible.

BTW Jokorey is correct that 1 Broadside with the drone controller and 2 Drones is a seperate wound group from the broadside with no drones.

Drone controllers and the Drones make Wound grouping a little confusing. Each model capable of taking Drone controllers Can become separate wound groups if the drones are different Drone types, and/or of different numbers. 2 Identical crisis or Broadside suits in a team become different wound groups if they both have drone controllers but one has 2 drones and the other has 1; because drones are wargear, that are also models in the unit. Now what exactly happens when all the drones are gone I have no Idea, all I know is that the loss of 1 drone does not make them Identical models because there is no way of knowing whose drone is gone(or if the loss of any drones effects the wargear choices originally chosen making the suits different to begin with). This is wholly unclear in the interaction of a 4th ed codex with new 5th ed rules, and who knows how or if it will be remedied in the 5th ed codex.