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Posted By Sirslamb on 09/19/2006 11:14 AM

Posted By mughi3 on 09/19/2006 8:27 AM
5.as i am not required to pre-declare/select/target/decide what to fire at with the second weapon system on the fish as per the target lock rule, i can now choose/target/select to shoot the IC with my smart missles because he is exposed, a second unit and legal to target as the closest enemy unit.

 

I must be blind where in the Target lock rule does it allow you to ignore the pre-declaration part of shooting?

The only rule that the Target lock modifies for Vehicles is that you can aim at different target, You still have to declare where those shots are going before you roll dice.

please check the armory rules in the tau codex. infantry and crisis suit armory rules are dfifferent and specificily require pre-declaring fire. the seperate entry for vehicle target locks do not.

Then GW simply forgot it. Why is anyone arguing ? I asked the question simply to reinforce what I thought was pretty obvious.

Perhaps you should be the one checking the rules. Where do the target lock rules ever do anything other than allow you to choose more than one target? They do not. The Shooting Process as described on page 18 of the Warhammer 40,000 4th edition rulebook remains unchanged with the exception of point number one which allows you to choose more than one target.

So once again, the rules never state that you go through the Shooting Process for each separate unit that you're targeting with the target lock. The rules in no way, shape or form support your claims.

With in the 40k realm rules give you permission to do certain things, the tau target lock of all varities do not give permission to bypass the rule that states you must declare targets before you shoot.

If it helps any, consider the idea that, when you fire your Hammerhead weapons, you are really supposed to declare all your targets, then make a single dice roll with differently colored dice for the different weapons and their targets.

Sometimes, the fact that players only have a single color of dice makes them roll for each weapon individually, and that can give the illusion of firing each weapon one at a time, which is not how it works.

well, once again, absence of a rule does not give permission to do such action. In this case, however, there is very clearly a rule. You must declare targets before firing. However, because one of your targets is an IC, you have to follow those rules, which state that if there is a unit in front you can not declare the IC as a target. Thus you must make a different declaration.

Simple and done.

Posted By Doctor Thunder on 09/20/2006 8:53 PM
If it helps any, consider the idea that, when you fire your Hammerhead weapons, you are really supposed to declare all your targets, then make a single dice roll with differently colored dice for the different weapons and their targets.

Sometimes, the fact that players only have a single color of dice makes them roll for each weapon individually, and that can give the illusion of firing each weapon one at a time, which is not how it works.

This is exactly how I've been playing it until somone in my group asked if it wouldn't be possible to kill the SM with SMS and then Rg the Libby. Works the same as Space Wolf Devas and Target Lock on other Tau units (Crisis, XV88, etc).

Posted By mughi3 on 09/20/2006 8:19 AM

please check the armory rules in the tau codex. infantry and crisis suit armory rules are dfifferent and specificily require pre-declaring fire. the seperate entry for vehicle target locks do not.

This is a basic logical fallacy. The standard shooting rule require you to nominate a unit's target as step one of a unit's shooting process. The fact that the infantry and crisis suit target lock rules state you must declare before rolling is a redundant point (as the basic shooting rules already require you to do so).

The lack of such a statement in vehicle target locks in no way invalidates the basic shooting process.

Seriously. Your argument has no legs to stand on, I'm not sure why you're continuing.

I figured I was missing something. Thanks.

devils advocate, i never tried it or ever intended to, but i could see how somebody could think it was possible like the original post.