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2007/03/20 08:46:34
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ok so i should legally have gotten my strength from the demonic strength? And not the furious charge? Since the charge would be coonsidered a bonus?
I really dont like the list of things that can kill the monolith the fire dragon?? Yaa only on 6 and thats a glance. Also the fact that it can take penetrating hits where can i verify that rule to my apponant?? Its seems if you are allowed pen hits for it being slow you would be able to hit it on more than just 6's also. Just makes sense as the hit on 6 is becasue its a fast moving SKIMMER.
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2007/03/20 08:59:10
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Dakka Veteran
Los Angeles, CA
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not a fast moving skimmer just all skimmers count as moving more than 6 for purposes of hitting it.
That opens the whole "in combat you can only glance" question which really bugs me.
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2007/03/20 11:58:42
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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You should have gotten the bonus from Furious charge AND strength...They both add to the model's strength. The strength of the weapon is whatever the model's strength is at the time.
The Fire Dragons can pen because the gun is AP 1, thus any glancing hit is upgraded to a pen.
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2007/03/20 16:32:21
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Mindless Spore Mine
Great White North
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The Witch Hunters Exorcist does a great job in dispatching the mighty Monolith. Strength 8 AP 1.
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2007/03/21 02:14:05
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
The drinking halls of Fenris or South London as its sometimes called
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I spoke to the rules boys at #GW Hq and the idiots said no to powerfists as the second printing says weapons must use their un agenmented str? Can somebody quote the actual last part of it as its not in the first printing? and explain if thats correct?
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R.I.P Amy Winehouse
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2007/03/21 08:49:44
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Whats crazy is that we have to have this discussion at all. Its a common piece of equipment that (normally) i listen to the cron players word on. No more of that though.
Ok so to update the list. What is allowed?
Furious charge? Demon strength? Powerfist strength? tank hunter?
Any others that we dont have DEFINATE, exact facts on feel free to list. It seems that the weapon is limited and the ability is not. But that would mean that the berzerker glaive is unusable, and so many others. I say again raise the points of this vehicle its rediculous.
Does the ap one rule override the skimmer ability than??
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2007/03/21 09:03:13
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Guide /doom with wraith canons seems to be a nasty way. Plus the haywires from the swooping hawks. For tau you can use rail guns marines and imp gaurd use massed las canon fire. The DE have a haywire eqivelant grenade. Other cron have heavy destroyers and glance anything with all weaponry.
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2007/03/21 10:11:37
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Well, the problem is that the rule says it ignores any additional penetration. So, despite Tank Hunter adding to the weapon strength, it is ignored as per the FAQ. This is then extended to the view that any increase in STR (IE daemonic strength, power fists, etc.) is ignored. I was trying to illustrate the absurdity of this view by taking it to its logical conclusion that any strength above 0, then, should be ignored, as this is a bonus to the pentration roll. The 1d6 you keep, because the rule says you can :-)
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-James
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2007/03/21 10:20:06
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Regular Dakkanaut
Mi.
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If i ever play cron remind me to field all warriors and three monoliths....
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2007/03/21 15:25:06
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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Actually, Tank Hunter adds 1 to the penetration roll, not the strength (effectively d6+1); it's why it still works against Wave Serpents.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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2007/03/21 16:10:52
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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[ARTICLE MOD]
Longtime Dakkanaut
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Posted By beef on 03/21/2007 7:14 AM I spoke to the rules boys <snip></snip> See "How to have an Intelligent Rules Debate" for the validity of the fools boyz.
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"I was not making fun of you personally - I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea - a practice I shall always follow." - Lt. Colonel Dubois, Starship Troopers
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2007/03/21 17:14:06
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Mindless Spore Mine
Great White North
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If a skimmer moves more than 6 inches than all penetrating hits become glancing. This said rule applies to AP 1 weaponry as well. If a skimmer moves 6 inches or less then penetrating hits stay penetrating. Does that help 5thelement?
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2007/03/22 07:54:56
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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What do you do for a living?
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.Only a fool believes there is such a thing as price gouging. Things have value determined by the creator or merchant. If you don't agree with that value, you are free not to purchase. |
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2007/03/22 08:40:11
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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Posted By jmurph on 03/21/2007 3:11 PM Well, the problem is that the rule says it ignores any additional penetration. So, despite Tank Hunter adding to the weapon strength, it is ignored as per the FAQ. This is then extended to the view that any increase in STR (IE daemonic strength, power fists, etc.) is ignored. I was trying to illustrate the absurdity of this view by taking it to its logical conclusion that any strength above 0, then, should be ignored, as this is a bonus to the pentration roll. The 1d6 you keep, because the rule says you can :-) Who is extending the FAQ and why? Tank Hunters is FAQ'd, thats all dont read any further nothing to find there. Tank Hunters, Chainfist, Rending and Lance weapons all get nerfed big time against the monolith because the monolith says no addtioninal dice or modifications to armor are allowed. And all of those weapon types are written as such. Daemonic Strength, Powerfists and Furious Charge are either addtions to basic strength or in the powerfists case a strength equal to twice the models basic strength. No where anyway do any of these things read where they add to penetration rolls. Thus the strength 10 powerfist can and does exist.
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2007/03/22 09:21:46
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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agree with Sazzlefrats. beat me to the punch.
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2007/03/22 15:47:41
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Foul Dwimmerlaik
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Posted By Sazzlefrats on 03/22/2007 1:40 PM Thus the strength 10 powerfist can and does exist. In what magical cheese fairy land is this? Just kidding, I am feeling snarky.
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2007/03/22 16:55:50
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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[ARTICLE MOD]
Longtime Dakkanaut
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In what magical cheese fairy land is this? Obliterators.
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"I was not making fun of you personally - I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea - a practice I shall always follow." - Lt. Colonel Dubois, Starship Troopers
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2007/03/22 17:50:59
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well, if a powerclaw counts, an Ork Warboss
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2007/03/22 19:22:18
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Been Around the Block
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Posted By Samwise158 on 03/16/2007 10:15 PM I guess Monoliths must be filled to the brim with cheese, just waiting to be squeezed out. Funny I was thinking of naming my 2 monoliths Easy Cheese "American" and "Mild Cheddar" if the day ever comes where I actually purchase another one I'm going to name it "Cheddar and Bacon". Saidly they vary rarely live through a game. I count it as a victory if my actually live through 6 rounds of a game. I've alwas allowed powerfists to get the double str.
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I'll take a Whisky, some more Whisky and a Chaser of Whisky and a diet Coke. |
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2007/03/23 09:11:39
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Posted By Sazzlefrats on 03/22/2007 1:40 PM Who is extending the FAQ and why? Tank Hunters is FAQ'd, thats all dont read any further nothing to find there. Tank Hunters, Chainfist, Rending and Lance weapons all get nerfed big time against the monolith because the monolith says no addtioninal dice or modifications to armor are allowed. And all of those weapon types are written as such. Daemonic Strength, Powerfists and Furious Charge are either addtions to basic strength or in the powerfists case a strength equal to twice the models basic strength. No where anyway do any of these things read where they add to penetration rolls. Thus the strength 10 powerfist can and does exist.
Why Necron players, and for advantage of course! FTR I agree that it is a ridiculous extension not supported by the rules.
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2007/03/23 15:20:19
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Flaxxon, I vote for "Pepper Jack" - much cooler than "cheese and bacon" - and tastier!
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"Plant more 'shrooms ladz, wez runn'n outta boyz" - RussWakelin, Grand Inquisitor |
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2007/03/26 16:34:51
Subject: RE: Necron (monolith)
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Been Around the Block
Minnesota
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Very true, but I dont think that Easy cheese makes a Pepper Jack version of there great cheese in an can. If they do damn I've been missing out.
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I'll take a Whisky, some more Whisky and a Chaser of Whisky and a diet Coke. |
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