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Ratbarf wrote:yah, but you are forgetting all of the captains, officers, techmarines, librarians, and sub chaplains, that the chapter has as well. And they could easily make up for the lost 100 marines which would make do for the fact that the 10th company is the scout one.

I agree wite this.
in ultra marines don't forget the honor guard day arnot counted as normal space marins to and they are spread al acros the companie's and the persenal one's of calgar.
and it sas arount 1000 marines so a normal army micht have a 1100.
and if you look at the fluff than de companie boxes gw sell's have 106 mariens cose rhino's are driven by mariens from the companie. and tanks are to enz...
so I think a normal chapter will have 1000 mariens infantry.
( that's how I see it )

Lol that was a tough read. You might need some spelling or grammar lessons if english isn't your first language. (just geussing by the way it was written)

Well nearly every squad gets a 2 man rhino, so their have to be space marines to drive it. Don't forget the Captains and upper crew of the Space Marine fleet, they need men as well and they are true space marines.

Not to go so off topic.

But if three Geneseed and such are limted and only have X amount How do the Black templers have like 5,000 Marines? with there neophatyes as well.

JW thanks ya.

geneseed can be grown, and with the templars having been around for like 10,000 years they would ahve got a large stockpile of the stuff. With it also being retreived from dead Marines the amount they have can grow over time. Also, they have no successor Chapters from their geneseed they don't have to have given them any, so more for them.

And if I remember correctly, Neophytes don't have Geneseed until later in their training, so don't need it alowing more to be used in actual Space Marines.

Hop that answered your questions, and the answers are right

And the Black Templers have 13,000 mariens all over the Galaxy. It can be grown but like all good things it takes time, a lot of time.

the gfact tehtemplars are spread out so much is what allows them to have such numbers, the Inquisition can't keep track of how many men there are, as by the time they've counted 2 crusades the First one will have lost and inducted men, making iit a pointless task to try.

Also, having thought about it the Black Templars were a secong founding Chapter from the Imperial ists, and there were what, about 2 others made from the yellow guys, so the Templars would have inherited 1/3 of a legions geneseed, thats a huge amount to begin a 1000 marine Chapter with, so they can't really be blamed for the large sizes

Space_hoppo wrote:And the Black Templers have 13,000 mariens all over the Galaxy. It can be grown but like all good things it takes time, a lot of time.

So you say 13.000 and ghostmaker 5.000, makes my chance to say not even their
Lord Marshal knows how much BT exist.

If i read C: BT right, the BT got every "CC" preferring brother from the IF -legion.
Can lead to a starting number of marines high above any 2nd Found. Chapter.

First Marshal was sisgismund,a champion,that fought at the imperial palace!
"the galaxy belongs to the Emperor,anyone doubting it is an enemy we should eliminate"

Yeah he doesn't know seeing as the chapter is never together and no one has ever attempted a head count of them. Do they count scouts in the size of the Chaper anyway? If not it could be double that.

I doubt scouts are conted, seeing as thier in training, and for nearly all chapters if they were counted then it would take the over the 1000 marine 'limit' and to not have enough scouts to stay within the limits would cripple a Chapter should enough Battle Brothers die.

Well the BT may have more because the scouts are used on the job along side normal marines, that makes them even better.

better, or just a human meat shield?

Or someone to carry his gun.

Neophytes are trained directly by paladins in the heat of battle.

They are not grotz'like used (as orks do) and no marine needs anyone to carry his holy bolter!

Counted against 1000 are fully fledged battlebrothers,makes scouts not in there and
if you have the old SM dex (1998) then look at page 0,5 .The "full show" of ultramarines lacks
correct numbers to be 1000! So 900 marines in squads plus 100 drivers for vehicles plus 50 Hq marines
plus techmarines plus loaders/gunners , you can see more than 1000 on this photo!
Oh, and there is a assault rhino with marines stripped of their jumppack,a option the dex does not provide!

Hmm if i look at the one in the new dex i think it shows 900 more men (10 squads per company) with commander units not included or tanks or men to run them, or the battle fleet.

This 1000 rule is therfore meant to screen the Marines in battlecompanys ( 10 x 100) not the whole chapter.

I suppose that the chapter could just lie and go sure of course we only have 1000 men, would you really doubt us?

The inquisition is doubting the whole day. Leads to secretive marines,they cannot talk free to stay out of
curiosity.
I suppose the genetors on Luna could review the geneseed and count the made marines.

Yeah but the big I have no power over marines, but they can use the IG to declare was if they have a good reason.

Space_hoppo wrote:Yeah but the big I have no power over marines, but they can use the IG to declare was if they have a good reason.

They declare "was" ? funny,isn't it.
The IG won't like it, to go vs marines means you should start write your last will.

I think it's supposed to be approximate.

Besides, when is a chapter ever at full strength? They've always got casualties, so take that into account and the time and effort it takes to replace them, and the chapters are probably more around a thousand most of the time.

TommyStriker wrote:I think it's supposed to be approximate.

Besides, when is a chapter ever at full strength? They've always got casualties, so take that into account and the time and effort it takes to replace them, and the chapters are probably more around a thousand most of the time.

Some new foundings or just returning to active service may be at recommended numbers.
Others managed to go down with casualties. A few may ignore part of Codex Astartes when recruting.
In the long run, chapter masters will try to hold as good as possible 8-9 company's ready.

Yeah they always have replacements ready. It's the only way to getin scouts into power armour is for a power armoured marine to die, new armour is hard to come by.

Space_hoppo wrote:Yeah they always have replacements ready. It's the only way to getin scouts into power armour is for a power armoured marine to die, new armour is hard to come by.

Seems not so hard if you're a SW. A SW "neophyte" gets power armour,their scouts are normal BB.

The scouts wear that armour because they want to, they are lone hunters and so on so forth.

Space_hoppo wrote:The scouts wear that armour because they want to, they are lone hunters and so on so forth.

Means they have power armour left to fit the blood claws in?
I don't believe standard gear is hard to build. Some pieces get damaged and the armourers repair it.
When its difficult to maintain power armour, those 3+ av would be rare.

Sw scouts wear power armour because they're already qualified marines right, not Neophytes? So why would the Space wolves need more Power armour to be made? it just gets handed down after the owner dies. terminator Armour though is very expensive and Time consuming to build so I take it thats why 2+ saves are harder to come by

No one has made a full set of Terminator Armour in thousands of yeahs, the only way to repair a suit is to get the suit and sit a fully operational suit next to it. And copy what ever it is that needs repairing, but it can take years to be re-done.

Space_hoppo wrote:No one has made a full set of Terminator Armour in thousands of yeahs, the only way to repair a suit is to get the suit and sit a fully operational suit next to it. And copy what ever it is that needs repairing, but it can take years to be re-done.

Thats your experience,when you have gone to the armoury to get a Terminator suit?

IMHO its possible to create new termi suits,if not,losses in the battlefield would make
it such rare,that no 1000 chapters could field them.

Making the suits can be done of course, but no-one ever does, it takes up too much of the Ad Mechs time, they being the only ones with the Knowledge of how to do it. Only finding STC's and the like would be able to persuade them to think about making them. Thats why new chapters of Marines made in 'recent' years don't officially have access to them, even though gamers will say they do because they want some... I think it mentions some of this under one of the Traits in the SM codex, the one that limits Terminator armour useage