More 5th Edition fun - Is the "leaked" PDF gonna be it?

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**Ravenous D**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:I don't believe its 5th ed but rather an Advanced ruleset.

GW has been getting their heads out of their asses and doing a lot of fan service recently, dropping an edition midway for the first time in the companies history seems unlikely.

And if it truely is, then it is an example of GWs head-in-ass-syndrome. The only problem is as usual is it is us the customers that are paying for it.

4th came out in late 2004. The typical gap between editions is 4-5 years. So it's not really a midway drop. Actually I am fairly impressed that they started designing 5th edition at least a year ago. I had imagined they probably bashed together new editions and codexes in a few months.

It will of course prove a huge boost to GW's sales if everyone buys it., which they must expect.

3rd edition was 8years, 6th edition fantasy was 6 years and both ran the course for their books, 4th ed hasn't hit the 5 year mark not to mention its only half way through with the codices (although the most popular ones are covered now).

Asmodai wrote:

I doubt they'll listen to Warseer (or Dakka) directly. Chances are the same people tasked with leaking the document will watch he reactions, collate them and pass on a more generalized set of reactions and the best points to the design team. I doubt Jervis is hitting refresh every five minutes for the last two weeks or reading a 100 pages of dribble.

That would be my approach anyway - find a use for all those interns!

GW doesn't need their own forums either. They've had a symbiotic relationship with B&C and Druchii.net in the past in terms of rules revisions. There's nothing that direct this time, but the discussion is still probably producing the intended result.

To be honest I dont think they monitor the forums at all, GW still uses external playtesters, the only difference is that they dont send the rules out anymore, but rather fly them in and ask for their opinions during the design process.

Which of course would make sense why the game seems to be catering to a certian group of gamers, even though that they dont represent what the majority wants.

**JohnHwangDD**

Asmodai wrote:I wish GW had learned from WotC's release of D&D 4e

Yeah, but WotC is really good at this. They have very solid internal playtesting with extremely capable players. Plus, they do a ton of work to keep communications flowing about new editions on all of their major products. And they actively solicit feedback from their customers. The net effect is to create a lot of confidence that changes are rational.

Plus, their customers are used to the concept of regular, scheduled change. They know there will be new editions, but that WotC will try to do something to address compatibility.

If GW were to put 40k and WFB on a fixed multi-year schedule for editions, that would probably be a great help.

**Nurglitch**

Wizards of the Coast also produce games as their primary product. People can't just buy pretty D&D miniatures and grit their teeth during games.

**Asmodai**

Nurglitch wrote:Wizards of the Coast also produce games as their primary product. People can't just buy pretty D&D miniatures and grit their teeth during games.

Lots of people do though.

I believe WotC's miniature sales exceed their RPG sales in terms of overall volume. The Collectible Miniatures Game random pre-painted booster pack model is incredibly successful for them (hence it's expansion into Axis and Allies, Star Wars, D&D, Battletech, etc.).

**Nurglitch**

In those cases the miniatures are the game, and a clever marketing idea to make miniatures game-specific, rather than sales of models purely for the sake of models, in which GW is more similar to Tamiya than Wizards of the Coast.