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GW should be able to make bank on the weak dollar, having US-based production facilities that supply Canada. So there really is no reason to charge more in Canada.

Except to gouge the 51st staters...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:GW could restrict a purchaser from buying from a set list of countries. Many of my clients do this, we call it siloing. If we create a silo for US and one for Canada, a Canadian customer can only order from the Canadian store and vice-versa.

And that is precisely why the "grey market" exists. For those who don't deal with international trade, the grey market is composed almost entirely of shell buyers who arbitrage the relative price of goods purchased on one country versus another.

This is why all-region / region-free DVDs and players are so important.

I mean, nobody with even half a brain actually thinks that "siloing" works in the real world, do they?

Well of course you can always turn to eBay or other online purchasers, but GW can restrict the sales from their own website just fine. I know that purchasing from the Warstore is less convenient than purchasing from GW directly (cause I have to call in my order) so often I will just buy from GW and pay the extra markup. If GW's site were siloed, then if I were a European resident I could not order from the relatively cheaper US site. Won't stop Europeans/Canadians from calling in to the Warstore, but it will be a lot less convenient for them (time difference and all).

Ozymandias, King of Kings

I'm sure there is a GW Skunkworks project to enforce region-encoding for tournaments. Maybe in 5th edition each region will get it's own individual Space Marine plastics to prevent models being used in a different region than sold.

I didn't buy anything from GW except bitz. And now that GW has pulled the bitz service, I see no reason to order anything at all.

Nurglitch wrote:Probably a bunch, that's 'lots' for you non-metric people.

You smug metric users and your confounding use of the number ten! What the hell is a bunch, anyway? More than a stone? Less than two hogsheads? An acre is one furlong multiplied by one chain, how could that be any simpler!? Your slick and greasy continental ways make no sense.

Aye. We should go back to the cubit for measuring.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Aye. We should go back to the cubit for measuring.

Agreed. Keep with tradition I say. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Ozymandias wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:GW could restrict a purchaser from buying from a set list of countries. Many of my clients do this, we call it siloing. If we create a silo for US and one for Canada, a Canadian customer can only order from the Canadian store and vice-versa.

And that is precisely why the "grey market" exists. For those who don't deal with international trade, the grey market is composed almost entirely of shell buyers who arbitrage the relative price of goods purchased on one country versus another.

This is why all-region / region-free DVDs and players are so important.

I mean, nobody with even half a brain actually thinks that "siloing" works in the real world, do they?

Well of course you can always turn to eBay or other online purchasers, but GW can restrict the sales from their own website just fine. I know that purchasing from the Warstore is less convenient than purchasing from GW directly (cause I have to call in my order) so often I will just buy from GW and pay the extra markup. If GW's site were siloed, then if I were a European resident I could not order from the relatively cheaper US site. Won't stop Europeans/Canadians from calling in to the Warstore, but it will be a lot less convenient for them (time difference and all).

Ozymandias, King of Kings

You can also email him

Redbeard wrote:Live in the US and don't like it?

...then you kin GIT OUT!

Don't bitch at GW, get off your ass and vote for a candidate that supports a balanced budget in November.

I don't think they make those anymore.

brettz123 wrote:

You can also email him

And send my cc info over my unsecure email. No thanks.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

The usual process goes like: email with items you want to buy, they email you total and invoice number, you pay via paypal. I usually use chaosmailorder instead of warstore, but the same process works for both places.

jfrazell wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Aye. We should go back to the cubit for measuring.

Agreed. Keep with tradition I say. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I think that the cubit qualifies as "broken", actually...

Redbeard wrote:GW is not a US company. The US dollar is weak. It's not weak because of anything GW has done, it's weak because of what the US government has done.

While it's unfortunate that a side effect of US Financial policy may make the cost of miniatures go up, the blame here lies squarely with the US Government, not GW. If you really must blame GW, at least blame GW Bush.

Hrm... While I agree that US fiscal policy hasn't been that grand in the past years, I don't think the US gov't is the sole entity deserving reprimand. We Americans aren't that smart when it comes to spending & saving, and things like the tech bubble, the housing bubble, etc. show that we're pretty careless. This has less to do with government fiscal policy (which is slow to change and has difficulty influencing the market except on the most macro of levels), and more to do with many of us living beyond our means... now it's coming back to bite us (hard).

I agree that it isn't GW's fault that the American dollar is weak, but GW has been just as careless in its fiscal management (note its similar poor performance... interesting parallels).

The fact still remains that, as goods & services increase in price in America, luxury items such as GW toys will become less appealing. This would be compounded by a price increase (whether warranted or not). While GW seems to suspect a rather inelastic demand curve for their product, at some point that curve will break and there will be mass fallout for it... We shall see.

GW's products are rather inelastic, but not perfectly inelastic so at some point when they increase price, the decrease in demand is large enough to cause a decrease in profit.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Geddonight wrote:

Redbeard wrote:GW is not a US company. The US dollar is weak. It's not weak because of anything GW has done, it's weak because of what the US government has done.

While it's unfortunate that a side effect of US Financial policy may make the cost of miniatures go up, the blame here lies squarely with the US Government, not GW. If you really must blame GW, at least blame GW Bush.

Hrm... While I agree that US fiscal policy hasn't been that grand in the past years, I don't think the US gov't is the sole entity deserving reprimand. We Americans aren't that smart when it comes to spending & saving, and things like the tech bubble, the housing bubble, etc. show that we're pretty careless. This has less to do with government fiscal policy (which is slow to change and has difficulty influencing the market except on the most macro of levels), and more to do with many of us living beyond our means... now it's coming back to bite us (hard).

I agree that it isn't GW's fault that the American dollar is weak, but GW has been just as careless in its fiscal management (note its similar poor performance... interesting parallels).

The fact still remains that, as goods & services increase in price in America, luxury items such as GW toys will become less appealing. This would be compounded by a price increase (whether warranted or not). While GW seems to suspect a rather inelastic demand curve for their product, at some point that curve will break and there will be mass fallout for it... We shall see.

I really have to just shake my head when people think that the US gov't (or its President) is solely to blame for economic prosperity or decline there. Amen to Geddonight's comment. Governments (and Heads-of-State in particular) have almost no influence on the price of gas, houses, miniatures, etc except in the policies which effect business and the incentives they create or stifle. Bush-, Clinton-, Obama-, etc bashing really has no business in this thread (and I think political statements even violate one of the posting rules). If you want to really understand globalisation, the inter-relation of economic forces and why the price of things goes up or down on a world-wide scale, take an economics class- don't try to place blame with one person or entity. If you want to know why the price of oil is high- look to industrializing countries around the world who are now competing for the oil supply and the emotional/knee-jerk oil futures market. If you want to know why wheat prices are high, look to the new (feel-good)bio-fuel markets that are incentivizing corn over wheat production. Housing prices/foreclosures- look to the unrealistic buyers, the mortgage lenders and the underlying market forces that encouraged their risky lending habits... The list goes on and on... Governments have only a marginal influence on any of these.

Back OT--- I really can't see GW lowering their prices, ever, anywhere. The best we can hope for IMHO is a status quo which means Candian prices will remain out of sync with US prices, despite the changing value of the $ compared to other currencies. I suspect GW will try several smaller "stealth" price increases instead of an all-at-once across the board price increase. Just my $.02

Seems reasonable for a company to hold things at aprox. same prices everywhere. Unless they actually manufacutre them in each and every land and have separate productions costs.

The price dump that people get from ordering from the US at the moment must be pretty bad. But considering the horrible greedy prices they already take it sure will suck to have to buy everything at full price.

Ohh, and by the way.. the politics play a very large role in the economics of a country. Rushing of to war is really bad for economics for example.. as is the politcal decitions about central banking issues.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Would it be within GW US's power to force US retailers to stop selling to non-US customers? How could they even enforce such a policy?

maybe if they want to violate the free trade agreement to try (and fail) to stop canadians from buying from Warstore.

nah.. get ready for a price increase... think of it as your "fanboy subscription renewal" for the next year.

The price rise will be the new 10 man boxes that will shortly go up to $25 - yes $50 for 20 men. guarantee it. within 2 years, probably 18 mths.

Ozymandias wrote:

brettz123 wrote:

You can also email him

And send my cc info over my unsecure email. No thanks.

Or you can be a bit more clever:

Order something small via credit card. Bitz are a good choice for this. This allows you to get the credit card information to Neal securely. Then, in the comments section(s), specify the GW stuff you want added to the order. Neal can confirm the pricing back to you. No e-mail, no problem.

Partially-incomprehensible political rant removed.

- Iorek

People have been complaining about GW price increases since the mid 90's. And the same people that complain then are still around now. If you want change then stop buying. GW will take notice with a HUGE drop off in sales, then either go out of business or reduce prices. Its easy to sell to individuals that treat plastic models and codexes like a crack addict. Remember, only the first one is free... oh wait.



Vote Ron Paul.

Don't bitch at GW, get off your ass and vote for a candidate that supports a balanced budget in November.

Thats funny right thar...

I'd vote for a President that nominated me as supreme commander of the invasion force and dictator general of the new state of Tahiti. Be nice and I'll invite you to the island wide partaaayyyy

Alpharius wrote:

I think that the cubit qualifies as "broken", actually...

Your blatant disregard for the time honored value of the cubit is beyond reproach. Stay will you are. Bactrian Guardmembers will be coming shortly to re-educate you on the greatest currency in the world

I haven't actually tried ordering anything from the site, but Amazon.com redirects Canadian customers to Amazon.ca when trying to order. Endlessly irritating when a) the price differences are fairly significant, and b) Amazon.ca doesn't sell everything Amazon.com carries.

Master Toddius wrote:If you don't want to be a person who wants to get educated and move up in the world don't make us up minimum wage for you and create even more inflation, it isn't our fault you decided to have more kids than you can afford...

Classic. Blaming the poor for being poor. "If poor people simply stopped reproducing, then there wouldn't so many of them! And why must they insist on eating and breathing so much? They should cease this behavior post-haste! That should ameliorate the problem nicely."

Vote Ron Paul.

What is "vote", precious?

Can someone please stop the flow of politics into the gaming forum?

Can't this be a place to escape it all? :(

Won't somebody think of the children?!

Nurglitch wrote:Won't somebody think of the children?!

Unfortunately, on the internets "thinking of the children" can often end up with you on the TV meeting that nice chappie Chris Hansen.

are GW products made in the USA ?
i vaguely remember some new GW plastic factory in America. the decline in the dollar is really starting to catch up to us Americans. I'm sure it will start having effect globally.

Ozymandias wrote:

jfrazell wrote:Good Point Keezus.

Here's a Q. Anyone familiar with other multinationals with internet sales? How are they handled?

I work for an eCommerce company. GW could restrict a purchaser from buying from a set list of countries. Many of my clients do this, we call it siloing. If we create a silo for US and one for Canada, a Canadian customer can only order from the Canadian store and vice-versa.

This doesn't just affect GW obviously, we've seen a significant increase in many of our clients as Europeans are buying more from the US.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Ugh why would you do that? Even if you everyone abandons ebay, FFGS can always use paypal, bidpay, allibaba, western union to accept international payments. Just seems like "silos" would drive customers to other merchants.

Until all product washed out of the US their are going to be markets UK can never control. If GW raises prices to the point where the US market faulters, FFGS's could be left with a bunch of merchandise that just wont sell in the economy the US seems to be going into. That is going to drive them to sell online at GW unapproved prices. I guess there would be some penalty from GW, blacklisting maybe. But if it becomes an unviable product who would care; you could even disguise your online sales presence.

Our clients are manufacturers who sell direct, not retailers. Often a manufacturer has certain rules they have to follow that retailers don't necessarily need to.

Also, I'll bet you that GW sells more from their own website than any online store does.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

A few years ago, I'd have taken that bet with a smile.

Now, after GW limited the discounts, killed the online shopping carts, raised prices by 20+% and shrank the overall market to kill off all of the smaller B&M players, yeah, GW is probably selling more than than any individual online retailer...