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No need to jump on Dave, who was kind enough to come here and explain what that was all about.

Though I would have preferred different inquisitors, I think that a post full of fail was pwned by a post full of win. 'nuff said.

EDIT: Eisenhorn, that wasn't "OWNING, that was a M-M-M-MONSTER KILL.

Thanks Dave. I know that most of them don't hang out here, but I know that there are a lot of people who collect Citadel Miniature Toy Soldier Dollies (particularly metal ones) and don't play GW's games at all. They probably get bored of the umpteen-millionth Fire Dragon sculpt, and would welcome something new, like Sartosan Pirates (who, I feel compelled to add, had their own list in Man O' War, back in the good old days).

Destrado wrote:Cross-dressing vampires? Boring pirates? Meh.

How is that model "cross dressing"? That's a bizarre way to describe the sculpt. It's collar is right in line with historical adventurers. For example, take the time to do a google search for images of Walter Raleigh .... actually, I'll make it even easier for you- here ya' go http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=walter%20raleigh&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

Oh, I'm sorry you felt offended by that. I was merely expressing my idea that it wasn't in line with what I thought could be done.

Now, the facts.

You can lob as much pus and entrails (and whatever disgusting elements you can think of) as you want on a Plague Marine.

You can weather your vehicles as much as you want, model battle damage, etc.

In theory, that keeps in line with what the model ought to look. In praxis, however, it doesn't equate to something being well executed. So, while I can (and I assure you, having studied History) see the origins and the historical tie-in, I was criticizing the fact - in my humble opinion - that the finished article isn't better than the sum of it's parts (which in fact can sometimes detract from the overall look of a miniature).

So, no need to lecture me on something that was intended as a depreciative yet relatively well-humoured comment on my part; in this case, the fact that it alludes to a certain period, combined with the aristocratic look associated to vampires, does not mean that a vampire looks good in a "night-gown" with some armour plates.

EDIT: look at the pirate captain - eye patch, check; hook, check; peg leg, check; pirate captain hat, check; leg prosthetic, check; beard "dreadlocks", check - he has all the attire that composes the typical imagery of a pirate, yet he's uninteresting. If instead of his hook he had a hand, with which he was drawing his pistol, the model would have a very different impact. Sometimes just slapping references on top doesn't mean a miniature is any good.

Pariah Press wrote: Thanks Dave. I know that most of them don't hang out here, but I know that there are a lot of people who collect Citadel Miniature Toy Soldier Dollies (particularly metal ones) and don't play GW's games at all. They probably get bored of the umpteen-millionth Fire Dragon sculpt, and would welcome something new, like Sartosan Pirates (who, I feel compelled to add, had their own list in Man O' War, back in the good old days).

Yes, indeed there are, me included. On this plastic golden age, the metal toy soldier dollies with charismatic theme are harder to get.

Destrado, I appreciate your subsequent followup and description of your opinion on the models. To be fair, though, that's not what you initially wrote; otherwise you wouldn't have received a specific response to the phrase "cross dressing vampires".

I would have preferred (and this is the case for the greater majority of posts I read on sites like this) that you wrote your second post first, rather than a shorter and misleading post. (Misleading with reagrd to your expanded post)

I was going to jump in and be all, "Sartosans aren't undead, that's the Vampire Coasts pirates, " but WTF, GW owns the IP and can do what it wants.

Miniatures-wise, I am not impressed by the Zombie Pirate. The Captain looks good, he's pirate-y, but still has that GW look. The Sartosan Vampire, well, there is a model that will find its way into my VC army.

I'm hoping that the Vampire Coast list might get an update soon. Maybe Harkon can get a re-write so that he isn't a completely useless point sink... .

That first "pirate zombie" would make a PERFECY Scavvy....

So what are these pirates from exactly? Are they pare of the new VC stuff? (never got the new book).

At one point, I was building a free company heavy Empire army as a pirate army, but never got around to doing much more than 1 unit

They're "special" releases that can represent any hero/lord vampire or pirate. Is the Old World ready for the advent of more pirates (Harkon, Long Drong and crew)?

Grot 6 wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Or how about, I actually like my minitures (or models, or a whole host of other names for them) to be useful. Or how about, if their going to produce miniatures, why not do it for one of the multitude of existing ranges? OR what about their BS that all new ranges produced will be fully supported?

And by the way, this is a toy soldier:



I don't play with these.

You have just established yourself as Tool of the Year.

x2.

Someone I feel needs to step away from the coffee pot. Anyway, where did the picture come from - originally I thought it might be PP but then I realized their sculpting couldn't have improved that much.

fullheadofhair wrote:Someone I feel needs to step away from the coffee pot...

Yeah, you do!

If it weren't for those green plastic soldiers I'd never have become a wargamer.

"It's a Warhammer Gaming Club!"

Le Grognard wrote:"It's a Warhammer Gaming Club!"

Yes, Scotty, we all are playing with toy soldiers- accept it.

As a number of folks in my gaming group (incl. RanTheCid) are getting into the Warhammer Historical game Legends of the High Seas, some proper pirate miniatures at GW's quality level would be a welcome addition to the range of pirate minis out there, the quality of which varies wildly.

Gitzbitah wrote:This may be a sign of the apocalypse. Or at least a redo of the old Warhammer Zombie Pirate list. According to my cursory research, http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133847 it was in European WD 306. It seems like a stroke of marketing genius, as you will hook the new pirate curious population.

P.S. Yarrrrrr!

So 5 years after Pirates of Caribbean 1, a year after the third one sank without a trace, GW jumps on the pirate bandwagon?

Not since they released Catachans 8 years after anyone cared about Rambo have I seen GW move so fast.

Yeah I'm pretty sure if they did some 'for fun' 40K models... say... AdMech and Squats, they'd sell like hotcakes even without rules.

BYE

Yeah, remember those old Skullz Ad Mech models? Everybody wants those.

davetaylor wrote:My apologies Scottywan82

It was not my intention to make you feel angry or unhappy through my use of the words "toy soldiers". If you would prefer I'll refer to them as Citadel Miniatures, or miniatures.

I was just posting to answer the OP, and provide the context that these Citadel Miniatures are being released in. To make these miniatures useful for your hobby (which I am assuming is collecting and painting armies for Warhammer and/or 40K) I would suggest you use these miniatures as characterful additions to a Vampire Counts army.

For others whose hobby may be exclusively collecting and painting characterful Citadel miniatures, they might also like these.

I hope this helps.

Cheers
Dave

Don't kiss up to him, Dave.
I preferred the "Yay! Toy soldiers!" approach, anyway.
He was just looking for a reason to rag on GW.
Who cares if those models don't have rules specifically for them? They could easily be used as any one of the myriad similar units in the game.

Eric

'How about we make some minis that dont even have rules?'

'Gee what a good idea'


HOW ABOUT MAKING SOME LATD THAT HAVE RULES BUT NO MINIS!!!!!!!!!!

George Spiggott wrote:

davetaylor wrote:They are just a few fun pieces that are NOT linked to any particular army and will NOT have rules. The Collectors Range, as well as containing beautiful and elaborate pieces from our existing lists, will also contain fun, cool toy soldiers that merely expand the view of the world and don't have to fit into pigeon-hole. If people want to use them in their armies, that's fine, but it is not their primary intent. Their primary intent is to be a cool toy soldier.

Hooray for cool toy soldiers!

There's a bunch of models in GW's back catalog that you could sell 'for fun'. You could sell Squats, RT era Inquisitors, Tech's and such and I could give you money for them, that would be fun. Fingers crossed eh?

Thank you for resetting the squat clock.

Though I wouldn't mind a redo of the old hooded ordo malleous terminator inquisitor....

Lord Lankington wrote:
'How about we make some minis that dont even have rules?'

'Gee what a good idea'


HOW ABOUT MAKING SOME LATD THAT HAVE RULES BUT NO MINIS!!!!!!!!!!

Leave Dave alone. He's a nice guy, and a sculptor. He has nothing to do with rules development, IIRC.

LATD make sense in the current world and history, and perhaps the new IG codex, when that comes out, will help you to make a LATD list. In the mean time, just use the IG dex, give squads the option of buying icons of chaos glory for 5 points, and give them generic daemons for additional troop choices, which you can use your mutants for. If you've got a larger mutant, buy a GD for 100 points, use the summoning rules, and allow your vet sgts, etc to be possessed.

Will you be able to play it in tourneys? probably not, but play it in a friendly game.

I know and thats sort of what im doign right now, it would be nice to have a codex and minis thats all

I for one think that releasing miniatures for fun, allowing the sculptors freedom work on something that may not be part of an official project, and releasing those miniatures outside of a huge sales push for an army release is a good sign that GW hasn't lost touch with its gaming roots. We all like to crack jokes about GW being controlled by bean-counters, but these sorts of minis seem to me to be a step in the opposite direction.

i agree with the "yay! kool new minis for no apparent reason" crowd.

i for one will probably not be picking any of these minis up (well maybe the pirate captain), but i think that it is definitely a step in the right direction for GW.

@Dave... WOW!!! i didnt realize that some GW staff actually roam around on these forums... that makes me happy

ttfn (tata for now)
BLARGAG!!!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Gitzbitah wrote:This may be a sign of the apocalypse. Or at least a redo of the old Warhammer Zombie Pirate list. According to my cursory research, http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133847 it was in European WD 306. It seems like a stroke of marketing genius, as you will hook the new pirate curious population.

P.S. Yarrrrrr!

So 5 years after Pirates of Caribbean 1, a year after the third one sank without a trace, GW jumps on the pirate bandwagon?

Not since they released Catachans 8 years after anyone cared about Rambo have I seen GW move so fast.

Now now. The Grand Preceptor himself ran me through the paces in Space
Hulk this weekend, where those gathered around the table told me how GW
produced the game not long after the release of Aliens.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:So 5 years after Pirates of Caribbean 1, a year after the third one sank without a trace, GW jumps on the pirate bandwagon?

Yeah, they actually jumped on that particular bandwagon moderately quickly, albeit in a makeshift manner- they had that zombie pirate kit out shortly after the WD article with rules for same, which was a bag with a bunch of empire militia sprues plus zombie sprues. I believe I saw that in stores in 2004, maybe 2005.

Nurglitch wrote:"pirate curious"? That sounds hawt.

within the pirate community, it's about as close to bi-curious as you are ever going to get. and that's hawt...

two_heads_talking wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:"pirate curious"? That sounds hawt.

within the pirate community, it's about as close to bi-curious as you are ever going to get. and that's hawt...

i dont even want to know......