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Orlanth,

My second to the last post was just to show what got buffed and what got down-graded, not to say that units were useless. Your points are almost identical to my first post. Unfortunately, 75% of my opponents are Marines (about as diverse as a bowl of oatmeal ). So I don't usually get the benefit (and fun) of blowing up OT vehicles or popping a Ctan (go boom ).

Gavinator,
I don't think anyone said CC TMC was the only way to go . Your list is similar to the one Stelek posted several weeks back and one I use to play back when 4th started (minus the Zoes...never was a fan of shooty Zoes). I was bringing up that LR are a problem, I wasn't referring to shooting...VC can stop that...though even if they failed... still not that many cover saves I will have to make. It is the transported contents that have a 20" threat range (sorry Zoes you won't protect me there) that are real dangerous to non-CC nidzilla and warrior DS spam (Contents will engage multiple tyranid units). Thankfully in most lists I will only have to engage 1 or 2 LR not the Ard Boyz 6 !

Genestealer shock is going to have a much harder time against Mech. Even if you do blow it up, they are no longer auto pinned and the leadership check is in thier favor. That means you get shot with a high likelyhood of having no cover save (The marines are the ones in the cover ). I guess that makes EC more essential.

I use Zoanthropes much more than I should. The main problem I have found with the Warp Blast is the psychic test + tohit roll. It is just one more roll to mess up (and one with the same odds of failing as wounding the user), and the tohit is only 4+.
The 18"range is effectively closer to 24", as it is assault, and that does make a difference.

That said, I would keep the VCs.

If I used Zoes, it would be for the Psychic scream...with 2 HT units and 3 Zoes = -5 leadership check to assault horrored HT units which would be out front.