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Ah but you have to keep in mind that the average Space Marine is not 6ft tall, he is closer to 9ft.(3 meters, you know, a womp rat), and if what you say is true, and the Rhino is only 10 ft tall, minus the elevation due to the treads, plus the thickness of the hull.....thats doesn't quite leave enough room. Especially when you take into account that they are only fitting in the back 2/3rds, and a Space Marine is what, 3 1/2 to 4ft across at the shoulders, put five of them shoulder to shoulder thats 17 1/2 ft of power armored goodness trying to fit in approx 16 ft of space(2/3rds of your 24 ft of Rhino).


Not that I really care, just love logical arguements.

JediRaptor wrote:Ah but you have to keep in mind that the average Space Marine is not 6ft tall, he is closer to 9ft.

The 6 foot standard was only to establish a base guidline for the measurement conversion (ie:30mm) so we could determine the dimensions of the Rhino.

JediRaptor wrote:, and if what you say is true, and the Rhino is only 10 ft tall, minus the elevation due to the treads, plus the thickness of the hull.....thats doesn't quite leave enough room. Especially when you take into account that they are only fitting in the back 2/3rds, and a Space Marine is what, 3 1/2 to 4ft across at the shoulders, put five of them shoulder to shoulder thats 17 1/2 ft of power armored goodness trying to fit in approx 16 ft of space(2/3rds of your 24 ft of Rhino).

Obviously you've never attempted to stand up inside an armoured vehicle. Typically you can't. Also I don't think you appreciate what the seating arrangement would be inside one of these things. They wouldn't sit five a side. More likely they would site three on each side and the other four in the middle.

Anyone who who has done any serious armour scale modelling (You know scratchbuilding and stuff) and/or anyone who has actually served time in the military and ridden in an APC will understand that these 40k vehicle models are huge.

This guy actually fit 11 Space Marines inside and Rhino (old model to boot):
http://home.versanet.de/~nuri-khadem/RhinoInterior

Lots of wisdom if you read that page.

Funny you should say that.

IA2 has a diagram showing the where the passengers stand or sit.

3 each side (hence the 3 seats per side) and 4 standing.

holden88 wrote:

JediRaptor wrote:Ah but you have to keep in mind that the average Space Marine is not 6ft tall, he is closer to 9ft.

The 6 foot standard was only to establish a base guidline for the measurement conversion (ie:30mm) so we could determine the dimensions of the Rhino.

JediRaptor wrote:, and if what you say is true, and the Rhino is only 10 ft tall, minus the elevation due to the treads, plus the thickness of the hull.....thats doesn't quite leave enough room. Especially when you take into account that they are only fitting in the back 2/3rds, and a Space Marine is what, 3 1/2 to 4ft across at the shoulders, put five of them shoulder to shoulder thats 17 1/2 ft of power armored goodness trying to fit in approx 16 ft of space(2/3rds of your 24 ft of Rhino).

Obviously you've never attempted to stand up inside an armoured vehicle. Typically you can't. Also I don't think you appreciate what the seating arrangement would be inside one of these things. They wouldn't sit five a side. More likely they would site three on each side and the other four in the middle.

Anyone who who has done any serious armour scale modelling (You know scratchbuilding and stuff) and/or anyone who has actually served time in the military and ridden in an APC will understand that these 40k vehicle models are huge.

This guy actually fit 11 Space Marines inside and Rhino (old model to boot):
http://home.versanet.de/~nuri-khadem/RhinoInterior.

Lots of wisdom if you read that page.

broken link.

Some comments.

Marines are not 9' tall. masybe the first generations were, but by mini size and artwork marines are 7' tall if they are lucky. Also the armour bulks them out.

Now when considering the armour marines in power armour would bunch up less than the equivelant in guardsmen or real soldiers. You would need the volume of the Rhinos as shown to fit ten marines.

Fun fact: IG figures are taller than SM figures. Talk about a scale problem. SM figures should easily be 2" tall compared w/ a guardsman.

Some notes on scale:
1" is 1/72,
1 1/8" is 1/64
1 1/2" is 1/48
2" (2.057" actual) is roughly 1/35

I may have to get a few of these new DP's and Chaosify them for my WordBearers.

wash-away wrote:

holden88 wrote:

JediRaptor wrote:Ah but you have to keep in mind that the average Space Marine is not 6ft tall, he is closer to 9ft.

The 6 foot standard was only to establish a base guidline for the measurement conversion (ie:30mm) so we could determine the dimensions of the Rhino.

JediRaptor wrote:, and if what you say is true, and the Rhino is only 10 ft tall, minus the elevation due to the treads, plus the thickness of the hull.....thats doesn't quite leave enough room. Especially when you take into account that they are only fitting in the back 2/3rds, and a Space Marine is what, 3 1/2 to 4ft across at the shoulders, put five of them shoulder to shoulder thats 17 1/2 ft of power armored goodness trying to fit in approx 16 ft of space(2/3rds of your 24 ft of Rhino).

Obviously you've never attempted to stand up inside an armoured vehicle. Typically you can't. Also I don't think you appreciate what the seating arrangement would be inside one of these things. They wouldn't sit five a side. More likely they would site three on each side and the other four in the middle.

Anyone who who has done any serious armour scale modelling (You know scratchbuilding and stuff) and/or anyone who has actually served time in the military and ridden in an APC will understand that these 40k vehicle models are huge.

This guy actually fit 11 Space Marines inside and Rhino (old model to boot):
http://home.versanet.de/~nuri-khadem/RhinoInterior.

Lots of wisdom if you read that page.

broken link.

remove the period at the end of the link

http://home.versanet.de/~nuri-khadem/RhinoInterior

chromedog wrote:IA2 has a diagram showing the where the passengers stand or sit.

Ummm my Imperial Armour vol II doesn't have an interior pic of the Rhino. In fact it doesn't have any Space Marine content at all. It focuses on Eldar, Dark Eldar and Orks. Perhaps you (or me) are thinking of a different book?

Have a look at the UK Games day, they had a full scale rhino and the tall guys there only came up to the vision slits. (Pics from the guy who went and posted the stuff to dakka.)

A guardsmen is taller that the vision slits in the mini rhino. (Also the marines in game are smaller than their fluff verison.)

heh heh heh.....this is fun.....

There is a reason it is called sci-fi!!! The model is sweet lets just take it for that. The drop pod is a model, not someone's college thesis.

Instead of screwing with the physics may be you just need to paint the thing and get some games in.

For your dread droppod, why not have the whole thing open like a flower, with one support beam opening with each door, and the motor attached to only one and opening with it?

Ratbarf wrote:Have a look at the UK Games day, they had a full scale rhino and the tall guys there only came up to the vision slits. (Pics from the guy who went and posted the stuff to dakka.)

A guardsmen is taller that the vision slits in the mini rhino. (Also the marines in game are smaller than their fluff verison.)

I must respectfully disagree with you. The guardsman (Stormtrooper actually) figures in front of me come up about a head and a half shorter of the front vision slits on the Rhino. And that's including the base they area mounted on. Here's a blurry cell phone pic (sorry don't have my good camera with me).

If you took the base off and put him inside the Rhino, he would be about eye level with the vision slits.

Are you even looking and/or measuring the miniatures before you post? Or are you relying on instict and your mk I eyeball?

You know, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter whether or not my little plastic (or metal) men can go in my little plastic tank (designed by nerds not military engineers mind you). The sizes of vehicles and Space Marines change constantly, so until there are actual Rhinos and Space Marines to measure this up with this whole thing is really just matters of opinion and which fluff you believe for your measurements.

I just find it all so silly

GrandWarmasterPinto wrote:You know, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter whether or not my little plastic (or metal) men can go in my little plastic tank (designed by nerds not military engineers mind you). The sizes of vehicles and Space Marines change constantly, so until there are actual Rhinos and Space Marines to measure this up with this whole thing is really just matters of opinion and which fluff you believe for your measurements.

I just find it all so silly

lol, how funny would it be if marines landed on earth to find shrines to them already in place?

I bet JJ would be scared shitless.

wash-away wrote:

GrandWarmasterPinto wrote:You know, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter whether or not my little plastic (or metal) men can go in my little plastic tank (designed by nerds not military engineers mind you). The sizes of vehicles and Space Marines change constantly, so until there are actual Rhinos and Space Marines to measure this up with this whole thing is really just matters of opinion and which fluff you believe for your measurements.

I just find it all so silly

lol, how funny would it be if marines landed on earth to find shrines to them already in place?

I bet JJ would be scared shitless.

heh heh, I bet they'd start bringing us into "compliance"

sorry to dissagree but a space is between 7 and 10 feet tall depending on armor terminator armor being taller and the odd large man if you use the attack bike you might get two siting on the seats and four nealing on the floor in a rhino i mite fit ten in a land raider if i worked on it with out bases but what about the cupolas they would hang down in to the cabin of the tank to actually work a rhino should be as large as a land raider and a land raider should be as large as a baneblade but for all we know they might have mini pocket universes in them like the doctors personal transport he he.