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KingCracker wrote:i know since i just played a game the other day with my orks. you CAN assault from an open topped vehicle. looked it up just before game play to make sure.

Yes we know this. Please state how this affects the stated transport, since most Ork transports are already open topped and can't change states based on opening a firing point.

well... movement happens before firing. so if you open a firepoint, you didn't disembark and it is therefore impossible for you to charge.

IIRC, the 'treat as opened top' lasts a full turn, meaning +1 on the vehicle damage rolls.

You could always leave an IC inside the transport to fire from a fire point so that the vehicle couts as open topped after the squad disembarks.

I feel dirty now...

The unit still did not disembark from and open topped vehicle. Just because a vehicle counts as open topped for shooting purposes it does not confer that to any other aspects.

Except that theeh DH codex jsut says it counts as opened topped, nothing at all about it being only in the shooting phase, like the BGB and other codices say.

Exactly, the hatch is used in the shooting phase, and is from then on until your next movement phase. The models did not disembark from an open topped vehicle, they disembarked from a enclosed vehicle.

hang on if a WH / DH rino becomes open topped doesn't that make make it safer for the people insided? s4 hit becomes S3 hit ...so madly safer to be in? (ok +1 to the pen roll but if you want to kill rino it dies, open topped or not)

Nurgleboy77 wrote:You could always leave an IC inside the transport to fire from a fire point so that the vehicle couts as open topped after the squad disembarks.

I feel dirty now...

The guys have already disembarked.... therefore it wasn't open topped when they left

I would say you open-topped isn't something you check when you declare a charge it's something you check when you disembark, so another unit or even an IC cannot make the rhino open topped post disembark to allow a charge,

That said if the rule does not specify how long it lasts, it seems logical to me that it lasts till the next shooting phase when you re-assess whether or not it is open topped, meaning in the turn following you making it open topped it still is in the movement phase.

Drunkspleen wrote:I would say you open-topped isn't something you check when you declare a charge it's something you check when you disembark, so another unit or even an IC cannot make the rhino open topped post disembark to allow a charge,

That said if the rule does not specify how long it lasts, it seems logical to me that it lasts till the next shooting phase when you re-assess whether or not it is open topped, meaning in the turn following you making it open topped it still is in the movement phase.

Following that it would mean that a unit shooting from the transport one turn could assault after the vehicle moved the next turn as the vehicles was still open-topped when they disembarked.

Well that seems the preferable option when compared to, "A unit can assault the turn it disembarks from a vehicle only if some other guys hop in afterwards and shoot out of the top hatch"

that said, I doubt either is intended.