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Can I assault out of open topped vehicles?

As long as you didn't move over 12", you can disembark at the end of said movement and assault as normal.

Providing nothing else dissallows the Assault move, like Deep Striking in an Open-Topped vehicle or firing Rapid Fire weapons.

That is the further caveat that I left out, yes... so no Assault out of Drop Pods or out of the Scout-carrying Land Speeder (the name of which escapes me) on the turn it drops in.

you cant assault on the turn you or your transports deepstrikes, so no.

hmmm, somehow I missed that the deepstrike rules treat the transport and the unit in it as both deepstriking and unable to assault, which makes me wonder why they were so specific in saying that units coming in via deepstrike in a drop pod cannot assault.

I always wondered about Rhinos.

It says in the rules that if their top hatch is open they are "treated as an open-topped vehicle".

Does this grant any units inside the assault ability after the Rhino moves, or just the ability to shoot and the penalty of getting smacked around more?

does it say that in the codex? as I have mine with me and can't find that anywhere. All it says is:

Fire Points: two models can fire from the Rhino's top hatch.

nowhere does it say that the Rhine counts as open topped. (I may not be looking close enough, but if it's there then I can't see it!)

also, just checked my rulebook (page 70 of mini rulebook)

Open-topped Transport Vehicles, halfway down the paragraph.

The passengers of open-topped vehicles may assault, even if the vehicle has moved before disembarkation.

it does not mention any distances.

Also I agree that you wouldn't be able to assault out of a vehicle that deepstriked that turn.

Hope this helps.

Quistis84 wrote:also, just checked my rulebook (page 70 of mini rulebook)

Open-topped Transport Vehicles, halfway down the paragraph.

The passengers of open-topped vehicles may assault, even if the vehicle has moved before disembarkation.

it does not mention any distances.

Also I agree that you wouldn't be able to assault out of a vehicle that deepstriked that turn.

Hope this helps.

It doesn't mention distances because open topped vehicles can still only move up to 12"(without any other vehicle types applied) which is the maximum distance for disembarking, you will find the speed restriction only under the fast vehicles section.

Regarding using the rhino's top hatch and it making it open topped, it's definitely not in the 5th edition space marines codex, and I can't see it in older SM ones, the 3rd edition chaos codex does make reference but it specifically says "does not count as open topped as it's passengers wear power armour"

I was just pointing out for people who didn't have the rulebook with them what it says.

An Ork Trukk with red paint job can move 13" and the boyz can still assault as it counts as moving 12".

Also, I was just pointing out that I don't believe a Rhino would ever count as open topped as it's nowhere in the codex.

Drunkspleen wrote:hmmm, somehow I missed that the deepstrike rules treat the transport and the unit in it as both deepstriking and unable to assault, which makes me wonder why they were so specific in saying that units coming in via deepstrike in a drop pod cannot assault.

Just a reminder, I think. The rulebook covers it reasonably clearly. In the paragraph about moving it says:

In the Movement phase when they arrive, these units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking transport vehicle.

So we can see that units that arrive inside a deep striking transport vehicle are themselves considered to be deep striking. In the paragraph on assaulting, the same subject is used: "these units".

Which hunter's and Deamon hunter's rhinos BABY!
p.30 Deamonhunter Codex
"A rhino or chimera using its top hatch as a firepoint will count as open topped if the save of any of its passengers is worse than 3+"

Red_Lives wrote:Which hunter's and Deamon hunter's rhinos BABY!
p.30 Deamonhunter Codex
"A rhino or chimera using its top hatch as a firepoint will count as open topped if the save of any of its passengers is worse than 3+"

But power armored stuff still couldn't assault out of them, And I don't think anyone other than Tau is going to mind if you assault them with guardsmen, even stormtroopers.

@Boss Ardnutz: Oh yeah, I saw it, somehow I had forgotten till this thread popped up and I re-read it though./

But keep inmind you can put repentia and arcoflagellants in them now i believe.

I believe the rule says the vehicle counts as Open Topped in the next enemy shooting phase.

Yep, by the time your turn comes around, the vehicle is no longer open-topped. IG have the same rule for our Chimeras.

Hmm... upon further review....

The Demonhunters Codex doesn't mention at all anything about "in the shooting phase" it just says its Open Topped if you fire from a hatch and are not all power armored.

UGH!!!!!! "Codex Trumps Rulebook" bs strikes again!

By the by, Arco's and Repentia have rules stating they can never be in transports. Same with Assassins.

Yes, but how can you assault if you fired from the top hatch in the shooting phase (which is after the movement phase)? You are still embarked, and so cannot assault.

unit A comes out Unit B goes in, in the shooting phase Unit B fires, making that transport open topped, then unit a Assaults, is their transport open topped? well it is now.

WH and DH codices are different. DH Rhinos and Chimeras become open-topped (following all the rules for beeing open-topped) if they use the top hatch with a unit with 1+ model with a save worse than 3+.

WH Rhinos and Chimeras only counts as open-topped when shot at or assaulted.

Also, there is no mention of how long the effect last (like in the IG codex) in either codex.

unit A comes out Unit B goes in, in the shooting phase Unit B fires, making that transport open topped, then unit a Assaults, is their transport open topped? well it is now.

This "tactic", if seriously attempted, woud result in an immediate bitchslap with a rulebook, followed by me packing my stuff not playing them ever again.

So, does the Drop podding squad count as deep striking? or just the Drop Pod itself... ( I think I smell cheese)

Nurgleboy77 wrote:

unit A comes out Unit B goes in, in the shooting phase Unit B fires, making that transport open topped, then unit a Assaults, is their transport open topped? well it is now.

This "tactic", if seriously attempted, woud result in an immediate bitchslap with a rulebook, followed by me packing my stuff not playing them ever again.

Again i would never do 90% of the cheesy rules things i mention on this board (BA apothecaries preventing damage to tanks, mixed units giving each other a 4+ save etc.) Just mentioning silly rules.

Shrike78 wrote:So, does the Drop podding squad count as deep striking? or just the Drop Pod itself... ( I think I smell cheese)

The squad entered the battlefield via deep strike, in their transport. If you try to claim that the squad's not in the pod when it deep strikes then I'm certainly not going to let you disembark anything from it.

People have tried this ridiculous line of argument before.

Antonin wrote:Yes, but how can you assault if you fired from the top hatch in the shooting phase (which is after the movement phase)? You are still embarked, and so cannot assault.

And there we have our winner.

Great use of logic Antonin.

Oh and anyone trying to move one squad out & another in to assault after the move needs to have their rulebook, dice, and models taken away from them until they learn to play nice and not like some well uhhh back to our regularly scheduled programming.

i know since i just played a game the other day with my orks. you CAN assault from an open topped vehicle. looked it up just before game play to make sure.

wow....way to add to the discussion....

Mannahnin wrote:

Shrike78 wrote:So, does the Drop podding squad count as deep striking? or just the Drop Pod itself... ( I think I smell cheese)

The squad entered the battlefield via deep strike, in their transport. If you try to claim that the squad's not in the pod when it deep strikes then I'm certainly not going to let you disembark anything from it.

People have tried this ridiculous line of argument before.

Aww... but I was really hungry for

I didn't really expect anyone to think I was right... but wouldn't it be funny?

"NO! the DP was DS... not the squad!"

"But the squad was in the DP"

"Yeah!"

(SMACK)

"OW!!! What was that for?!"

"If you don't know, then may god have mercy on your soul"