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2008/10/19 19:31:17
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Fixture of Dakka
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Tri wrote:@breton ... yes if you killed him other wise he could jump into another squad but the point was more couldn't GW include a retinue or leave out the retinue rule
@Aduro ... you forgot the eldar we don't have retinue ether ... so basicly thats every codex writen for the 5th ed is without the rule?
Warlocks are a retinue.
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2008/10/19 19:39:08
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It's not like that many armies have ATSKNF, either. Or cavalry. In of itself, I think whether it's here or not is probably not that strange.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/10/19 19:39:30
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2008/10/19 20:56:50
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Green Blow Fly wrote:Warlocks are a retinue.
No they are not.
It's just a regular unit that needs a farseer to be bought.
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In one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 6", kill a few guys with his flamer, assault 6", kill two more guys with his bayonet, flee 12", regroup when assaulted, react 6", kill one more guy with his bayonet and then flee another 12".
So in one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 42" and kill more than 5 people. At the same time a Chimera at top speed on a road can move 18"... |
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2008/10/19 22:23:47
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Fixture of Dakka
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the codex entry states the farseer must remain attached.
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2008/10/19 22:58:08
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Lieutenant General
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Page number and rules quote please.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2008/10/19 23:44:51
Subject: Re:Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Fixture of Dakka
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Page 60- this unit and the farseer are a single HQ choice.
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2008/10/20 00:31:36
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Lieutenant General
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A single HQ choice does not equal a single unit that must remain together.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2008/10/20 01:37:54
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Fixture of Dakka
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It's open to interpretation.
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2008/10/20 01:41:43
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Lieutenant General
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No, it's not. It's a single HQ choice, not a single unit.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2008/10/20 01:59:08
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Fixture of Dakka
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to each their own... command squad. 
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/10/20 03:25:25
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2008/10/20 02:42:12
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I thought the point about having official rules was that it wasn't "to each his own", but that we had the common ground to determine the truth.
In this case it's not "open to interpretation", if you buy a Head Quarters choice like a Space Marine Captain or an Eldar Farseer, you get the option of an extra-organizational unit such as a Command Squad or a Warlock coven, respectively.
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2008/10/20 03:21:30
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Fixture of Dakka
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it could have been worded better.
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2008/10/20 03:55:09
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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How would you have written it better?
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2008/10/20 04:07:29
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Well, page 48 of the BGB makes it pretty clear that only units that have some sort of special rule where the IC is not allowed to leave are counted as "retinues". If the squad entry in question has no such rule referenced, then the squad is not a retinue for the IC and he may deploy, join or leave the squad as he sees fit, like with any other unit in the army. It really couldn't be any more cut and dry.
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2008/10/20 08:39:53
Subject: Re:Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Green Blow Fly wrote:Page 60- this unit and the farseer are a single HQ choice.
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An IG Platoon is a single FOC choice as well..... the units can't leave each other?
EDIT: Spelling
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/10/20 08:40:29
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2008/10/20 10:59:23
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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GBF,
Why are you still asking this question. We covered it before in a different thread.
Page 92 of the rulebook:
"MULTIPLE UNIT CHOICES
Note that occasionally the Codexes allow the player to include several units in his army at the cost of a single force organization slot (like dedicated transports, etc). Apart from being bought as a single choice, these units operate and count as separate units in all respects."
Starting with the Eldar codex, there have been *no* retinue units in any of the new codices, only units that take up a single force organization slot.
Unless there is some specific rule that says an independent character is attached to a unit then per the rule I've quoted above they are not.
It is not ambiguously worded in the least, at all. It is only wishful thinking.
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2008/10/20 11:22:04
Subject: Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Fixture of Dakka
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I never saw that thread yak.
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2008/10/20 21:35:45
Subject: Re:Are Honorguard and Command Squads count as retinues
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Green Blow Fly wrote:Page 60- this unit and the farseer are a single HQ choice.
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If that means they act as one (coherancy/moving/shooting/dying) then the IG are really screwed.... considering a single HQ choice can have 40+ models in it (ranging from infantry and walkers to vehicles and flyers)
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Please note - terms like 'always/never' are carried with the basic understanding that there are exceptions to the rule, and therefore are used to mean generally...
 
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