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since were bringing up the possibility of ultramarines I would bike to point out that many space marine characters and chapters are based on literature and history, Dante of the Blood Angels, The Raven Guard's Poesk style as a whole. From this I derive the point that the Ultamarines chaplain is named Cassius as in Gaius Cassius who along with Brutus [u][u]BETRAYED[/u][/u] [u][u]EMPEROR[/u][/u] Julius Caesar, coensidance in historic parrallel, I think not. DEATH to the vanilla marines!

Valid point, but if we're deciding loyalties based on Character names then the Dark Angels should have been declared Excommunicate by now. Even ignoring the fallen, the chapter is led by Azrael : Islamic Archangel of Death, The senior chaplain is Asmodai : demon mentioned in the deuterocanonical book Book of Tobit. Scout company Sergeant Naaman was, according to legend, a great warrior, but was afflicted with leprosy.

The chapter's only "redeeming" character, depending on your own religious perspective, is Ezekiel, chief librarian, who shares his name with a preist from the Bible.

So, after all, what's in a name ?

What's wrong with an Archangel of Death in a Space Marine Chapter?

Nothing, per se, but from my limited understanding of the religion in question, and I'm more than open to correction, the Islamic version is a more demonic represention.

My only point was that GW drew names from a number of sources and probably didn't intend for the names to reflect the values or beliefs of the characters to which they were given.

Indeed, the name of the master of the chapter I'm creating is Azrael Kazan, chosen purely because I like the sound of it !

good point and azrail is an angel not daemonic in islamic faith trust me, but to ur point then baal the ba homeworld is a daemon of ancient lore, and basically i was just saying that thing about cassius /c i hate vanillamarines with a passion and anything bad aid about them is always good (mainly b/c it pisses off the little kids who only know about ulramarines and blood ravens, f em both) lulz

Well, if the emperor is failing like they say, maybe its time to plug Tigurius in...

Warboss Spleenstaba wrote:good point and azrail is an angel not daemonic in islamic faith trust me, but to ur point then baal the ba homeworld is a daemon of ancient lore....

I always found that odd. The DA I understand (angelic names that are also referenced in more sinister contexts), but Baal? It seems like that should be the name of a great daemon prince, not a SM homeworld. Belial always seemed an odd naming choice, too.

almost forgot mephiston is also the name of an ancient daemon of lore.

Breton wrote:
Dear Tigurius,

My father-in-law is the Patriarch of the local Genestealer cult. What's the best way to avoid giving him an invitation to Thanksgiving (To the Emperor) Day dinner?

Faithfully yours,
Wife, Its What's For Dinner.

Dear Wife, It's What's For Dinner
The best way to avoid an invitation to him is to BURN THE HERETICAL XENO! May the sanctified flame be laid down upon him and beg thanks to the Emperor that you were given the glory of victory upon your father-in-law.
-Tigurius

it never matters what the problem is.... it can always be fixed with a heavy dose of flame

Warboss Spleenstaba wrote: azrail is an angel not daemonic in islamic faith trust me,

Duly noted, Spleenstaba, and thank you for the correction.

On a side note, re your comment about those who only seem to know about the Ultramarines and Blood Ravens, can you remember the original 12 chapter uniforms illustrated and identified in Rogue Trader ? ( I know, I know, I'm showing my age here

Either way, almost back on topic, all the posts referring to character, chapter and planet names only illustrate the point that the name doesn't define the loyalties of the character.

As for Tigurius, I stand by my earlier post that the centuries it has taken to amass his knowledge, experience and powers, plus the rumoured boost from The Emp, have produced one of the most powerful psykers in Imperial history.

The psychic boost references also serve only to indicate that he may have been "chosen" by the Emperor for this task, hardly an accolade given to one suspected of being in league with Chaos forces.