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Necros wrote:If you want, I can give you my paypal info if you get any more income you'd like to dispose of

I still want one of those boards, but it's not something I'll be able to afford till this winter or spring, if it's even still for sale then... But I think it would be nice if they could sell the tiles separately and maybe make additional ones later on to add to the set.

Oddly it was disposed of already.

The flat tiles look to be about 3/8" thick. I already have plans to make additional tiles.

Sorry guy's my armies have been painted to years and seldom do I roll out any models that are unpainted. So in a few weeks I'll post up images of my painted tables. My airbrush should make this pretty easy.

I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

markoseugene wrote:I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

I find this somewhat elitist. I have a pressboard board that I built. It folds away into a 2'x4' folded section. It has 6 hinges to hold the boards together and a padded felt cover. I also have the new GW Gameboard and find it superior to the board I made. For one my wife can not carry the folded board, but can easily carry the GW board. This is important as she plays also. I have the folded board at school where the Warhammer club plays. It is very heavy to carry back and forth from the car and I leave it at school. I had another board last year, but some of the hinges ripped out of the board and it was destroyed. I have played with foam boards at the flgs for years. I have yet to see any foam piece survive more than a few games before the dents, dings, and gouges begin to take their toll. There is little fear of this with the plastic board.

In either case (foam or wood board) there is a l;arge amount of terrain that must be carried to play on the board. The GW board has hills already included which will bring the amount of terrain I need to carry less. I have played on wood boards, I have played on foam boards and the new GW board is better. It is no different in price than a FW piece. If you have such a problem with the prices then don't play such an expensive hobby. Collecting dried flowers is pretty cheap and you don't need a board.

You make no statement to back up your claim that my comment is in any way elitist. Are you trying to imply, through your rambling comment, that it is elitist to use hobby skills to actually MAKE a board? I will respond based on this logic:

I didnt build a board made out of foam nor does the board I made fold up. Funny how you missed that entire section of my comment.

You seem to imply the ready made hills provide sufficient terrain and that much more terrain is not needed. Have you actually played any of GW's systems? The hills on the realm of battle game board are not enough and will only lessen the amount of terrain needed by only a small fraction.

You say the new board is simply "better than playing on a wood or foam board" with no supporting information. Is the new board better because of its texture, the skulls sculpted on it or because it costs so much?

Get back to me with some compelling statements and we can talk further.

Oh, and I will leave the tulip picking up to you.

markoseugene wrote: The choice is simple: buy an awesome 2000 point army or pay for this gaming board.........

Thats the thing that you and a lot of other people in this thread don't seem to be getting.
For a lot of us, there is no choice to be made.
We'll take every single army we want, AND the gaming board if we so wish.

There is no either/or... there is no "what else could I buy with that money?", We'll take them both thanks!

proximity wrote:

markoseugene wrote: The choice is simple: buy an awesome 2000 point army or pay for this gaming board.........

Thats the thing that you and a lot of other people in this thread don't seem to be getting.
For a lot of us, there is no choice to be made.
We'll take every single army we want, AND the gaming board if we so wish.

There is no either/or... there is no "what else could I buy with that money?", We'll take them both thanks!

and for those of us that work and study the board saves me the time of building one which I have been promising for two years. Mind you, if I buy it, I wonder how long it will stay grey!

markoseugene wrote:I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

Your logic does not open this up to discussion. Of course there are no GOOD reasons to spend
money on a pointless product. The point of people in contention with you is that they do not
find the product pointless. What's pointless is that the product is a one-shot deal.

Reasons to not make your own spend and spend large sums of money:

-This magical thing called a garage is not accessible to all people.
-If you want to build a table in pieces, squaring them properly is an issue, especially
for someone who can't operate a level properly and earned a C in wood shop (ie, me)
-For storage and transport, pieces are best. We spent an entire Saturday this summer
trying to figure out how to truck a table from Lincoln Square out to Oak Park when xenite's
van broke down.
-Connecting pieces bridges the gap between sturdiness and transport.


Interlocking plastic solves a lot of things.

Did I pay for one? No. I don't like how GW handled this product from its pricing to its
future expandability, so I didn't buy one. I made sure to call various GWs, or visit, and
look excited until they mentioned the price increase. But I will not slam those who
see value in this product especially if they're going through the trouble of writing up reviews
for those of us who haven't gotten one.

Reading posts about how you could do a better job with duct tape and some bubble
gum gets tiring. Please deal with the original post or discuss the actual product rather
than extend your tape measures every time you want to get all Home Improvement
on those of us who are/were interested in this product. Better yet, create articles for
the totally clueless about how to make a table that does a similar thing as the GW one
and I'm sure it'll be impressive.

Still, such articles would be in a separate post or thread. Not this one.

Well, put rather simply...I don't believe this product is aimed at veterans that cruise discussion boards. Its for the younger gamers that typically play on kitchen tables with syrup bottles and pop cans as terrain. This gives them a easily stored, quick setup that mom won't mind...but will still look great (and encourage the hobby aspect more). Good release.

Lets weigh the pro's and con's of the gameboard.

Pro's:
+ overall decent quality
+ rugged and durable
+ modular
+ portable
+ carrying case
+ easy set up
+ easy break down
+ easy storage

Con's
- heavy

Things that are PERSONAL TASTE!
~ skull pits

Things that are RELATIVE!
~ price

If your only gripe about the gameboard is its price then you have no valid point to make because 'expense' is a relative term.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, put rather simply...I don't believe this product is aimed at veterans that cruise discussion boards. Its for the younger gamers that typically play on kitchen tables with syrup bottles and pop cans as terrain. This gives them a easily stored, quick setup that mom won't mind...but will still look great (and encourage the hobby aspect more). Good release.

I have to disagree with this. I feel like it's a product for every level of GW 'player' maybe not hardcore hobby 'enthusiasts' aka the ones that are all about building their own. Besides, who doesn't like gaming on some nice terrain?

Major Thom wrote:
The flat tiles look to be about 3/8" thick. I already have plans to make additional tiles.

Any way off getting exact measurements of the thickness?? (inches/mm)

I actually just asked this question earlier in the discussion forum on the true thickness of the boards...
I'm considering maybe in the future buying the GW boards but before that I will build some City Scape
boards made of MDF and want to make sure that they will be compatible with the GW plastic boards.

oni wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, put rather simply...I don't believe this product is aimed at veterans that cruise discussion boards. Its for the younger gamers that typically play on kitchen tables with syrup bottles and pop cans as terrain. This gives them a easily stored, quick setup that mom won't mind...but will still look great (and encourage the hobby aspect more). Good release.

I have to disagree with this. I feel like it's a product for every level of GW 'player' maybe not hardcore hobby 'enthusiasts' aka the ones that are all about building their own. Besides, who doesn't like gaming on some nice terrain?

*Shrug*, really? Anecdotal evidence incoming...but I just can't see any of the players I've been around purchasing this. I'm all about gaming on nice terrain...but really this isn't that great of terrain. It's selling features to me are; Transport, storage and little work. Most of the vet gamers I know either have a store/rec room to play at and rather make their own. Anecdotal though, I could very well be wrong regarding the target audience!

It's ~3/8"

The only thing that has stopped me from getting one is the "how to make the siege of vraks" table guide in the forgeworld modeling mastercraft or what ever it's called book.

Flip side is: It probably wont cost less, it wont be transportable, and will be a million times more difficult to work.

The board looks good and I would buy one if I could convince myself to spend the money for it. Some people like hobby projects or building terrain, but I am not one of them. I like how cool it is.

I place the board in the same catagory as Forgeworld stuff: Really awesome but currently out of my price range.

I find it hard to believe that other hobby tools of GW are called outrageously overpriced and a gaming table for 200€ is called "relatively expensive".

I'm more of a saver when it comes to miniature gaming, for others it isn't that much money. To each his own. But For me personally, it's trying to make money of the people that don't know better (aka younger folks?).

"Hey guys, you can buy this gaming board and various hills and buildings for 350€ and have some super awesome playing table!!!1!! (but we could alternatively give you some tutorials to build all this stuff for a fraction of the costs, but we won't...)"

I don't blame any company of doing this, but I don't support such things. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Imo, the buildings and other terrain pieces by GW are somewhat reasonably priced.

GW has released tutorials for building tables in the past.

markoseugene wrote:I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

I work 11 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. I work 11 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. Thursdays (to allow for my Vet Night gaming) Fridays it's 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Saturdays 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.

Add into this that I have a flat to tend to, meals to cook, washing to do, plus an annoyingly active social life, and you'll see I don't have a lot of time on my hands to dedicate to making a board. Nor do I have tranportation to allow me to get the various materials home.

Nor am I particularly adept at making things. I can paint my models nicely enough, and it's taken a mere 16 years to get to a level I find acceptable..

Ergo, reasons to buy, as you put it, a 'pointless product' for me at least are many and varied. I know I can build one cheaper, but I have neither the time, the ability or in the inclination to do so.

Plus, having a fellow gamer as a flatmate means I will soon get my monies worth out of it!

Overall the GW products are all expensive, specially when you compare with similar (and many times much better) products from other companies... Its no big news, everyone knows this.

But this table pushes things to the ridiculous level... its just 6 pieces of plastic, not a cellphone, or a playstation were you pay for the innovative chips etc... its just 6 pieces of raw plastic with a bit of texture on them. The example I gave with ikea table was just a standpoint to how much more plastic and with a complex design/form is priced so low there.

I'm not debating if for some its something they wish to spend the money or not ( its their choice... and yay or nay is equally valid) Im debating that for what it his ( 6 pieces of plastic) is not only overpriced like all gw products but its bordering the ridiculous frontier.

Nevertheless many thanks for the review and sorry if I keep puting the price debate on the table but I do think, that even if relative, the price of a product is one of the most important aspects when avaluating debating products.

Price pales into insignificance next to *value*.

However, I am the first to admit value is what you make of it. I'm getting me one of these, because it means I can then game more than once a week. This is obviously a sound investment for me. YMMV of course, but to rubbish it because of the price is a little short sighted.

It's a good investment for those looking for an easy and ready to use solution with little time or space.

This conversation is, in my opinion degenerating too much into the 'those who can make one, wont buy one'... but I got one and I have built every piece of terrain and table for my workplace and I dare say, they are of pretty damn high quality. But that also takes a lot of time and effort and I honestly can say that perhaps even as high as 9 people out of 10 are -not- willing to put the same time and effort and love into their terrain as they are to their miniatures or just as likely, they cannot. This is all naturally a question of making priorities and being a lover of not just one but many games, my priority easily slips to building, modifying, sculpting and painting of miniatures rather than terrain but at the same time, I find it moot to have those lovingly worked-on models and then be fighting on my living room table with them. So for me, the simple question is time and effort and for me, the math is simple: Time is more important to me than money in the stage I am in now and in that case, I am willing to pay the piper, even knowing that there is a level of effort that goes into making this product tableworthy, but the effort is considerably less than for an identical terrain with the same features (modular, detailed, etc) where the building time and effort would be much larger. And this -is- from six years of, what could be referred to as professional terrain building experience backed with 22 years of hobby experience.

I tried not to brag and to keep the emotional responses to a minimum but felt that this topic needed my voice as well.

I hope it gives a different perspective on the obviously fiery subject.

proximity wrote:

markoseugene wrote: The choice is simple: buy an awesome 2000 point army or pay for this gaming board.........

Thats the thing that you and a lot of other people in this thread don't seem to be getting.
For a lot of us, there is no choice to be made.
We'll take every single army we want, AND the gaming board if we so wish.

There is no either/or... there is no "what else could I buy with that money?", We'll take them both thanks!

QFT

If you want to buy this product, I hope you got what you wanted. It's GW, so price shouldn't shock you.

Looks tight, comes in a nifty carrying case, and you get to buy as many as you wish.
I hope they sell them by the square, they might get a better reception from the overall public, but If you got what you wanted, congratz to you!

I like the skulls.

On the subject of the price increase.....

From what I've been told, the first few batches weren't up to scratch, so down in stock they raised the price. This isn't to say it's going to drop at all, just shining a very dim light.

Just out of interest, what do the buyers of the new GW battle board plan to rest it on? ... another large board perhaps? So the arguement for it replacing your old heavy board is void isn't it? Whether you make it out of cheap foam or use the nice shiney GW one, you still need a board

Genoside07 wrote:

Major Thom wrote:
The flat tiles look to be about 3/8" thick. I already have plans to make additional tiles.

Any way off getting exact measurements of the thickness?? (inches/mm)

I actually just asked this question earlier in the discussion forum on the true thickness of the boards...
I'm considering maybe in the future buying the GW boards but before that I will build some City Scape
boards made of MDF and want to make sure that they will be compatible with the GW plastic boards.

I see Oni took care of this. Thanks.

BTW, I'm a veteran. Been playing 40K since RT.

Wolfstan wrote:Just out of interest, what do the buyers of the new GW battle board plan to rest it on? ... another large board perhaps? So the arguement for it replacing your old heavy board is void isn't it? Whether you make it out of cheap foam or use the nice shiney GW one, you still need a board

On the dining table in my room I use for painting, which when fully extended allows a comfortable overhang for an appropriately sized board!

I've made two gaming tables in the past, but i could see myself buying one of these. I do think the price is a little high, but who knows, if sales stagnate maybe they will drop the price or offer some kind of bundle. I feel like this is one of those purchases I could make and be a little leery at the time but years down the line I would be patting myself on the back for a smart purchase. Those two tables I have built in the past - I don't have them anymore because I moved to places where I could not take them with me - that's already $120.00 down the drain. Take care of these new GW boards and it could be the last game table you have to buy.

some online retailers are selling the Citadel Realm of Battle Gameboard for under $200.00 USD