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Necros wrote:If / when I do get one of these I don't plan to flock it. Just paint it as is. There's already a slight texture in the flat areas and I really don't wanna be dumping that much flock and baby gravel all over it. Just gonna spray it black and drybrush it with a big brush with some light browns.. I think it'll look just fine like that.

I thought the same as you. But having now flocked it after all, it looks so much better. Plus, on the unflocked board, flying bases tend to slip down the hills...

Wehrkind wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Price pales into insignificance next to *value*.

However, I am the first to admit value is what you make of it. I'm getting me one of these, because it means I can then game more than once a week. This is obviously a sound investment for me. YMMV of course, but to rubbish it because of the price is a little short sighted.

Price determines a big slice of the "value"

Actually, no it doesn't... value is independant of price, in the sense that the price you are willing to pay is directly related to the value you expect to receive. You don't value something more or less based on the price of it, but are willing to pay a certain price for the value you perceive.

One man's rubbish is another man's little plastic soldiers

In the consumist age you live today its a bit naive not to think the price of something gives you status or sense of achievement... as such the price is often more important than the actual object... You do value things based on their price... well you dont if you live with your ermit uncle in the mountains
I'm not saying its a positive or negative thing to behave according to consumist ideals... Im just sayint its the reality these days.

Whats more important for the lady that just got a diamont ring the size of a golf ball... the actual huge diamont or the idea of the obscene price of the diamont? what do you think that makes her feel achieved or what she values the most?

This table value to me is directly linked to its price... I would regret myself forever if i got one at this price and would love this table if it just costed 6 bits of plastic... 1/4 of its price. As is I cannot justify to myself spending almost half of the national minimum wage in just textured plastic...

The table its not rubish its just overpriced. Is like you buy a 99 fiat crappola by the price of a ferrarri... its still a car though.

UltraPrime wrote:I thought the same as you. But having now flocked it after all, it looks so much better. Plus, on the unflocked board, flying bases tend to slip down the hills...

ah.. hmm.. my only real flocking concern is having it get worn off over time or if I use the finer stuff I'd have green hands after every game. ANd the sand & rocks mixtures might make the surface kinda rough and scratchy.

Theme? The board was designed to be as 'generic' as possible without being 6 flat, plain tiles (which probably would be a complete waste of $) as GW intends the RoBG to be used across all of their tabletop games. - Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000, The Lord of the Rings. Which ever you like, which ever you play, even if it's all of them you can use this game board.

My question to you is why is the RoBG unsuitable for Cities of Death? Surely the lack of moulded roads won't prevent this.

Sorry, so hills, skulls and exposed rock aren't a "theme" then? Take a look through the CoD codex and look at the battlefields there, how many include hills? If you were building a CoD board from scratch would you're first thought be, "oh I must have some hills in this city"? Probably not. My "missed" point is that you have to have the hills on your battlefield, whatever game you play, if you use the GW board. You also assume that the person who buys it, has and will use the other 2 systems on it. A company called Battleboards was knocking out double-sided textured blue foam 2 x 2 boards for £20 each. So for £120 you would get enough for 2 different themed battlefields of the same size 6 x 4. It's not knocking the GW board, just pointing out another option.

Wolfstan wrote:

Theme? The board was designed to be as 'generic' as possible without being 6 flat, plain tiles (which probably would be a complete waste of $) as GW intends the RoBG to be used across all of their tabletop games. - Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000, The Lord of the Rings. Which ever you like, which ever you play, even if it's all of them you can use this game board.

My question to you is why is the RoBG unsuitable for Cities of Death? Surely the lack of moulded roads won't prevent this.

Sorry, so hills, skulls and exposed rock aren't a "theme" then? Take a look through the CoD codex and look at the battlefields there, how many include hills? If you were building a CoD board from scratch would you're first thought be, "oh I must have some hills in this city"? Probably not. My "missed" point is that you have to have the hills on your battlefield, whatever game you play, if you use the GW board. You also assume that the person who buys it, has and will use the other 2 systems on it. A company called Battleboards was knocking out double-sided textured blue foam 2 x 2 boards for £20 each. So for £120 you would get enough for 2 different themed battlefields of the same size 6 x 4. It's not knocking the GW board, just pointing out another option.

OK, it has perma-hills and I see what you're getting at, but my point is just because it has hills doesn't rule it completely unusable for CoD games. If it does for you then you are far more hardcore than I.

NAVARRO wrote:
In the consumist age you live today its a bit naive not to think the price of something gives you status or sense of achievement... as such the price is often more important than the actual object... You do value things based on their price... well you dont if you live with your ermit uncle in the mountains
I'm not saying its a positive or negative thing to behave according to consumist ideals... Im just sayint its the reality these days.

Whats more important for the lady that just got a diamont ring the size of a golf ball... the actual huge diamont or the idea of the obscene price of the diamont? what do you think that makes her feel achieved or what she values the most?

This table value to me is directly linked to its price... I would regret myself forever if i got one at this price and would love this table if it just costed 6 bits of plastic... 1/4 of its price. As is I cannot justify to myself spending almost half of the national minimum wage in just textured plastic...

The table its not rubish its just overpriced. Is like you buy a 99 fiat crappola by the price of a ferrarri... its still a car though.

You make a good point, but it does not necessarily apply. It is often true that people want things because they believe it will make them look successful, displaying a symptom of success (money to spend on fancy things). It may well be that some people want this table because it shows off their 40k "bling". I would say it is possible, but rather unlikely, since people usually don't bling out fairly practical things like mail boxes, but rather things that they can use more often to show off, like a necklace or car. In 40k terms, I would say folks are more likely to demonstrate their superior purchasing wang with a pro-painted army, or one of your FABULOUS eldar titans

To your examples, the lady getting the big rock is accepting a payment for her value to the fellow giving it to her, not purchasing it herself for use. She cares about the cost because it expresses a willingness to part with a large value in exchange for her attentions. The fellow purchasing it, however, cares not if the price is cheap, only that he is willing to pay it, and that SHE thinks it looks expensive. The Zirconium market attests to this

Your self loathing if you broke down and bought it for the current (rather high) price is you mourning all the things you didn't buy with the money, and has little to do with the table itself, other than the fact you want all those other things more than you want the table. Buyer's remorse does not stem from not wanting the item they bought, but rather that they traded too many other things for it.

So, I absolutely agree it is not for everyone, but I suspect the wailing and gnashing of teeth about price has much more to do with people wanting one but not wanting to pay that (rather high) price, than people offended that they should be offered the item at the price.

I bought a PS3 instead. I'm not exactly happy about making the decision, but once the
decision was made I promised myself no more regrets.

malfred wrote:I bought a PS3 instead. I'm not exactly happy about making the decision, but once the
decision was made I promised myself no more regrets.

The PS3 is SOoo worth it! Blue-ray FTW! Might I suggest getting Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - best game EVAR!

yeah,
I picked up my board yesterday, I'll post pictures when I get around to painting it. I might rush painting it, So I can game on it at the weekend.

OT: I beat MetalGearSolid4 yesterday... the stats I got at the end where a little depressing for a stealth game though!Might have to play again....

Panic...

oni wrote:

malfred wrote:I bought a PS3 instead. I'm not exactly happy about making the decision, but once the
decision was made I promised myself no more regrets.

The PS3 is SOoo worth it! Blue-ray FTW! Might I suggest getting Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - best game EVAR!

xbox 360 > PS3 when it comes to being "worth it"

OT my bros. (2 of them) and me bought a gaming bored roughly shelling out 50 each.

and i must say, definetly worth it. i dunno what the deal with the skulls are but i love it!
and to the one who says you cant play COD wiht the hills, the hills arent THAT high, but i like a city with some hills not just a flat board with buildings.

Don't worry about them. They probably live in Chicago (flatlands!)

perhaps its because I live in california and we are full of mountains, but rarely do I find a flat city with true square city blocks.

an important imperial building placed on the hill would be very common. gives big brother elevation to look down upon the commoners, as well as places the emperor as the highest thing commoners see.

or it could be the creepy building on the hill.... "be good children and pray to the emperor or the inquisitors will come and take you away to the building on the hill for re-education"(cut scene to creepy building on hill backlit by lightning)

if you put both flats on one end, and made a large plateau with the 4 hill sections, you could create the edge of a city battlefield. or flats in the middle with hills in each corner, a factory complex in a valley with watch towers on the hills overlooking.

i'm just saying cities dont have to be on all flat ground. hell try and find any flat ground in san francisco, and that place is a dense city area.

Uh,

Dont like it, and this is why, they will wear down with people leaning on it etc etc.

My main dislike is alot of the sloped and ridges, your minis just slide on down the sleek plastic. If I wanted that I would take my minis to Six Flags Amusement park. They should have somehow textured the surface, so that a good 20% of the surface your minis arent on a Ice skating rink.

Dunno, for that kind of money they better have textured and painted that plastic. We all know that maybe cost them $30 to make each one....

I might be gaming on one later. I'll let you know how slippery they are.

My poor hormagaunts and stealers looked like Nancy Kerigan and Brian Bortano falling over each other on that grey ice rink of a board.

Have you tried on a painted/flocked one?

Chapterhouse wrote:
My main dislike is alot of the sloped and ridges, your minis just slide on down the sleek plastic. If I wanted that I would take my minis to Six Flags Amusement park. They should have somehow textured the surface, so that a good 20% of the surface your minis arent on a Ice skating rink.

Chapterhouse wrote:
Dunno, for that kind of money they better have textured and painted that plastic. We all know that maybe cost them $30 to make each one....

I sincerely doubt it costs them even THAT in materials. The big costs for something like this is probably in the molds.

BigToof wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:
Dunno, for that kind of money they better have textured and painted that plastic. We all know that maybe cost them $30 to make each one....

I sincerely doubt it costs them even THAT in materials. The big costs for something like this is probably in the molds.

Bingo. Coincidentally the company I work for recently looked into making a custom plastic enclosure to house equipment. Nothing fancy, just a 5' high x 2' wide x 2' deep cabinet really. The mould cost alone was $13,000.00.

If its so slippery why not pick up a can of spray adhesive and spray the sloped parts and do a light sprinkle of fine sand. hell even regular sand would work if you dont bury the board.

I plan on picking one of these up next week. yes online for a discount. I promise to take pics of each stage until its fully painted.

I dont see how these will get weak over time, its not truly hollow under the hills. there is a grid of plastic ribs running at 90 degrees from each other, from the underside of the hills to flat with the surface the table sits on. so any downward force from someone leaning to reach for a mini is going to transfer through the board to the table underneath.

Wehrkind wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:
In the consumist age you live today its a bit naive not to think the price of something gives you status or sense of achievement... as such the price is often more important than the actual object... You do value things based on their price... well you dont if you live with your ermit uncle in the mountains
I'm not saying its a positive or negative thing to behave according to consumist ideals... Im just sayint its the reality these days.

Whats more important for the lady that just got a diamont ring the size of a golf ball... the actual huge diamont or the idea of the obscene price of the diamont? what do you think that makes her feel achieved or what she values the most?

This table value to me is directly linked to its price... I would regret myself forever if i got one at this price and would love this table if it just costed 6 bits of plastic... 1/4 of its price. As is I cannot justify to myself spending almost half of the national minimum wage in just textured plastic...

The table its not rubish its just overpriced. Is like you buy a 99 fiat crappola by the price of a ferrarri... its still a car though.

You make a good point, but it does not necessarily apply. It is often true that people want things because they believe it will make them look successful, displaying a symptom of success (money to spend on fancy things). It may well be that some people want this table because it shows off their 40k "bling". I would say it is possible, but rather unlikely, since people usually don't bling out fairly practical things like mail boxes, but rather things that they can use more often to show off, like a necklace or car. In 40k terms, I would say folks are more likely to demonstrate their superior purchasing wang with a pro-painted army, or one of your FABULOUS eldar titans

To your examples, the lady getting the big rock is accepting a payment for her value to the fellow giving it to her, not purchasing it herself for use. She cares about the cost because it expresses a willingness to part with a large value in exchange for her attentions. The fellow purchasing it, however, cares not if the price is cheap, only that he is willing to pay it, and that SHE thinks it looks expensive. The Zirconium market attests to this

Your self loathing if you broke down and bought it for the current (rather high) price is you mourning all the things you didn't buy with the money, and has little to do with the table itself, other than the fact you want all those other things more than you want the table. Buyer's remorse does not stem from not wanting the item they bought, but rather that they traded too many other things for it.

So, I absolutely agree it is not for everyone, but I suspect the wailing and gnashing of teeth about price has much more to do with people wanting one but not wanting to pay that (rather high) price, than people offended that they should be offered the item at the price.

Fair enough mate and Loved reading your reply

As for the buyer remorse issue, personally... I rather keep the money in the bank as oposed to buying other items...
Funny people mentioned PS3... Its also one of those things I rather not waste my money, 400euros and its not even retrocompatible with my ps2 games? 70 euros games? hell no!
I know I'm just a cheap @ss

As for slippery plastic why not use textured paints?

I was just glad to have a chance to talk economics, and with you Navarro

As to the wear and tear on the board: I walked on mine for a day or two when I got it, partially because I had no where more convenient to spread it out than in the front dining room by the door, and largely because I couldn't resist recreating the "fat man walking" test. Now, I am much smaller than your average game store goon, but 180 pounds walking on the tiles in a pair of Docs' didn't so much as make it turn white.

As to slidey mini's, I could see maybe the flight bases sliding since they have a flat bottom, but the normal bases should be fine. The paint on mine should be dry tonight; I will try and get some pictures with the girls and some other troops and see how it works. (Sorry for a lack of previous pictures; the light in the front dining room sucks.)

Edit: Oh, I forgot: Has anyone figured out a handy way of clipping it together? I clipped it together last night to wash it, and found getting 2 panels clipped together first, then clipping them to each other worked, but was awkward at best. Is there a better trick?

oni wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:
My main dislike is alot of the sloped and ridges, your minis just slide on down the sleek plastic. If I wanted that I would take my minis to Six Flags Amusement park. They should have somehow textured the surface, so that a good 20% of the surface your minis arent on a Ice skating rink.

Oni, did you have to turn your models sideways to get them to stay on the hill? I played a game on this board last week and it was a nightmare. I had to face my miniatures uphill and still 1/2 of them came down. I want to see some pictures of these boards painted and flocked and such.

I noticed that there was a tendancy for models to slide a bit on the grey plastic. I primered mine black with 'Board to Pieces' primer, which is a very dark, flat black. Didn't even use a full can. Then a drybrush of deep brown. The paint in the can was perfect, jellied and nearly solid, just how I like it for doing scenery. After the primer and first coat I had much less slippage, and we played a few games on it.

I was painting the skulls on Black Friday when someone came in, and said "ooh, pretty, are those for sale?". Unfortunately, I'd sold out of the couple I brought in. The spirits of my rogue trader ancesters boomed in my head "SELL NOW, and paint another one for yourself later."

So someone walked out of my shop with my nearly painted one, and I'm doing another. I'll check on how the slippage on the slopes is when I get back to flocking the next one.

Did you charge extra for the paint job at least?

Is this really a limited edition kinda thing? I do still want one I just have to wait till after the holidays, maybe Jan or Feb...

I'm also kinda hoping if I wait GW will start selling the tiles separately

yeah,
I started painting mine today, I took some photos as I did things, so maybe I'll post a thread about painting it when I finnish...

I Tested how much of a table over hang is acceptable... it's not good chaps... it's bad...there is just too much flex in the boards.
I'd go as far as to say no over hang... when i pressed down on a section with a 6" - 9" ish overhang it unclipped at the other edge and flew up...

The clips are a bloody pain in the arse to set up... if you clip the board upside down its difficult to flip over with out risking damage to the board..
if you feed the board onto the table it's easier... clipping each section as you go... but you have to get under the board to clip...
So after messing around for about 30min i came to the conclusion- I don't think I wanna bother with clips...

So Now I think i'm going to need 6' x4 ' board with a lip around the edge for this 'gameboard' that encloses the board and stops the tiles sliding ... so not as space saving as I had originally hoped...
Still a cool project...

anyways... It's freaking awesome!!!
seriously!

I started painting today.
I'm using the citadel kit, standard ,basecoated brown drybrushed yellow. (boring i know)
I've made a good start on the rocks as I've been going... I sprayed them black before I started...
I'm pretty much done with the paint in the kit, and I have well over half of both paint pots left over!

Looks like If you spend a bit more time layering the paint and take you time with paint you could get away without flocking... i'm going to flock, so I rushed the paint...

So hopefully tommorrow... I'll finnish up painting... flock it and do all the details... anyways a few pictures of where i'm at... it's on the floor with two bits of terrain and a couple of tanks ...

PAnic...

I've never actually seen a table painted that way. so perhaps not so boring as you thought.

since i plan on painting mine as ash waste/moon, i'm having trouble planning how to make the rocks stand out from the textured flats.

I'll likely drybrush the whole thing and if its too blended i'll do a gloss black with extreme edge highlighting on the rocks for obsidian look or something.

Yeah, you should probably make some sweet-a terrain. like, some sand eroded ruins to some pharoahs temple, or some huge monolithic tower filled with pictographs. That would look pretty nice... like some sorta statues of like half birdmen. cyber half-birdman to be exact, seeing how we are in the 41st mellinium.

I like your scheme for it, PaniC.

I think this thing will really become something to get once they release trench boards and maybe some more flat/rough ground boards. If they ever did a Space Hulk type board I'd be in heaven.