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pavonis wrote:That's why you pie plate them before assaulting. But yes, I definately see the benefits of the TH/SS combo. I think going pure TH or pure LC is not the best way to run them.
I usually run mine in squads of 5 with 3xLC 2xTH/SS. But this discussion has convinced me I should up it to 6 man with 3 and 3. Or run them in support of a shooty unit like Sternguard or other high strength weapon unit.

What if your pie plate is destroyed?

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:

pavonis wrote:That's why you pie plate them before assaulting. But yes, I definately see the benefits of the TH/SS combo. I think going pure TH or pure LC is not the best way to run them.
I usually run mine in squads of 5 with 3xLC 2xTH/SS. But this discussion has convinced me I should up it to 6 man with 3 and 3. Or run them in support of a shooty unit like Sternguard or other high strength weapon unit.

What if your pie plate is destroyed?

G

I guess you just eat off of the floor

Every one I have talked to say that their scouts never do anything to be worth their points. I know mine shoot every round and if I am lucky, they take out one model in a unit. I also don't fight a lot of MC's and never seem to roll a 6 on a wound for rending.

Faced a good sized squad of TH Terminators today, and I've got to say, it was insane the amount of punishment they sustained.

The other guy was rolling real well on their saves, but that squad took a round of shooting from 2x Dakkafexs and a Dakkatyrant, then they took an assault from 12 Genestealers. Killed 6 Genestealers, lost nobody. In the end, they got assaulted by 2x Dakkafex and a Dakkatyrant as well. They died, but took all 12 Stealers, 1 Carnifex, and wounded the other.

The other guy Deepstriked them right in from of 3x Tyrants, a Dakkafex and 12 Genestealers. I thought they'd be gone before they could even attack.

I think he had 7 of them...

Toughest unit I've ever seen.

I'm also in the 2 LC 3 TH camp. Yes, the thunder hammers are "twice as survivable" when it comes to taking saves, but remember that those LC termies will likely stike before they die, while the TH termies may not. There are lots of times where in the first round, my LC termies kill a few guys before dying, that tips the balance enough in my favour for a win the next time around. All TH terminators will sometimes lose badly the first round due to poor saves, denying yourself an eventual win due to fewer return attacks

I think it would be a mistake to mix models, anti-infantry... can't you just buy fire support from your troops for that?

storm knight wrote:I think it would be a mistake to mix models, anti-infantry... can't you just buy fire support from your troops for that?

you can, but once they're in combat it's a done deal. The real question is just how many TH attacks or SS saves do you need? You still get three 3+ invulnerable saves with this split, and 6 TH attacks in CC. This way you get 6 th and 6 LC (rerolling to wound) rather than 10 TH attacks. If you're THAT worried about losing out on the three SS saves, you probably shouldn't have your terminators in there in the first place. 3+ invul means you still lose a 40 point model 1/3rd of the time...

Don't get me wrong, the thunder hammers are much better in general, and there should always be more TH than LCs in the squad. There's just many instances where it would be really nice to not lose the initiative advantage, and a couple LCs in there would be a huge help.

If you have a squad larger than five I see no reason to take any LCs.

I can't speak with any authority on Codex: Space Marines and their 3+ Invulnerable Terminators.

Black Templars, with their ability to get Furious Charge, has coaxed me into throwing half-and-half squads of 4 Lightning Claws and 4 Thunder Hammer / Storm Shields into a Crusader and zipping up the field.

612 points may seem steep, but when the unit drops 18 MEQ on the charge for the first time, you'll never want to not field them again.

CK

EDIT: That's assuming you took Accept Any Challenge as your vow -- the one major no-brainer about Templars.

Corpsman_of_Krieg wrote:I can't speak with any authority on Codex: Space Marines and their 3+ Invulnerable Terminators.

Black Templars, with their ability to get Furious Charge, has coaxed me into throwing half-and-half squads of 4 Lightning Claws and 4 Thunder Hammer / Storm Shields into a Crusader and zipping up the field.

Black templars is another ball of wax entirely. The only thing besides a dreadnought that has stood up to my 8-man bloodcrusher squad was a charging squad of BT terminators /w lighting claws and furious charge. I think the Emperor's Champion was involved as well.

Centurian99 wrote:
Being able to strike at I5 S5 makes a significant difference.

Especially when you can reroll your hits and wounds!

I'm asking my same question on mix of terminators too. I'm running the Vulkan list and am going to take a 10 man squad that'll be deep striking in among pods. Either split into 5 man combat squads or altogether if I need to watch KP's. It is nice to be able to peel off high attack low initiative things like orks and placing a at least 2 LC's in there, but it is very tempting to go all 10 TH/SS.

BC

Ok, what about for Deathwing? We don't get the 3+ that the new SM's get but can mix in heavy weapons and chainfists.

Right now I'm thinking of an assault squad as 2 LC's, 1 TH/SS, 1 CF/SB, and 1 PF/AC. Is the TH/SS even needed?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

It might be handy to keep the Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield as back-up for when the Chainfist model gets himself killed, so the squad can still take on heavily armoured targets.