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somecallmeJack wrote:


Arch Enemy are cool, but I prefer carcass. I find arch enemy's production is a bit too slick & in your face. I like them, but I dont think I could listen to a whole album.

I have been meaning to check them out, been a bit bussy these days but yes I will check that out...

There's also Opeth, Progressive Death Metal from Sweden, they kick some serious ass.

ah yes, I saw Opeth in November with Cynic. Probably the best non festival gig of my existance so far.

if you dont know, Carcass are Michael Ammott's band from before he formed arch enemy. Their only album I have is Heartwork, & I would suggest checking out the title track first, & then the rest.

you should also check out Cynic if you dont already know them. Imagine the bassist from necrophagist playing with a jazz/metal band with vocoded vocals.

Theyre sick as a dead hamster.

Lunahound wrote:could anyone guide me to some silent hill ish music?

i believe.... they are normally labeled as:

Ambiance , new age

or something...

Well, you could always take a look at Akira Yamaoka. He wrote the soundtrack for the entire Silent Hill series, and has some solo stuff as well.

The genre is known as "Horror Ambient", though I hate that classification, considering that's exactly the kind of music I create.

Try Murder of Angels, The Walter Sullivan Project (Obvious homage to the Silent Hill series), or AnneXadote. The genre is, in all honesty, pretty rare. But Murder of Angels is one of my favorites. If you want to check out some of my personal stuff, send me a PM.

If you're looking for Yamaoka's "Coffee House Grunge" style, it's pretty much non-existant, outside of his own compositions.

Anyway, Necrophagist is my favorite band, and they're from Germany. Akira Yamaoka is (obviously) a favorite of mine, and he's from Japan. Speaking of Japan, one of my favorite composers is Hitoshi Sakimoto, and he's also a Japanese native. Opeth is great, and they hail from Sweden.

Not too into the whole Black Metal scene, or I would have a lot more to list.

EDIT: And I just had to say it...Amon Amarth are one of the LEAST heavy metal bands I've ever heard. Not that they aren't decent, but....I just don't know where this came from.

Midnight Juggernauts from Oz are awesome. I saw them at 2 festivals and their own gig in London this summer. They do awesome electro-rock, heavy on the guitars when live, a bit more electrical when in the studio.

Hearts Revolution from (who knows where, but the lead singer is Japanese). Saw them supporting Midnight Juggernauts. More electrical, but very awesome.

Go! Team are English, so they are native for me, but foreign for you. They do... well... just listen to them. Honest

Japanese Popstars are an Irish electro-dance stuff along the lines of the best Chemical Brothers stuff. The bpm does something weird to my pysche though.

somecallmeJack wrote:ah yes, I saw Opeth in November with Cynic. Probably the best non festival gig of my existance so far.

if you dont know, Carcass are Michael Ammott's band from before he formed arch enemy. Their only album I have is Heartwork, & I would suggest checking out the title track first, & then the rest.

you should also check out Cynic if you dont already know them. Imagine the bassist from necrophagist playing with a jazz/metal band with vocoded vocals.

Theyre sick as a dead hamster.

*jealous*

Yeah I know that, I've just never heard them before.

Sounds cool.

I love old french singer.

Georges Brassens

Jacques Brel

And of course, obscure european metal band...

Kudos for the Nusrat mention. ''Love Songs'' is sublime.

For Swedish metal Meshuggah are untouchable. Anyone who disagrees hasn't heard ''I''. I like a lot of US metal, such as Nile, High On Fire and Hate Eternal. Whilst we Brits invented the genre, the yanks currently rule the roost. However, they shall burn in musical hell for giving the world nu-metal and crunk. The UK will also immolate due to the words ''grime'' and ''garage''. Sorry world.

The best source of ambience is the electronica scene. Artists such as Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards Of Canada should tick the boxes.

For darker ambience try Earth, Asva or Sunn0))).

Thanks to Oz for Pelican.

M_Stress wrote:I love old french singer.

Georges Brassens

Jacques Brel

And of course, obscure european metal band...

No Edith?

hey Chrysaor, Dont dismiss black metal out of hand... I agree, a LOT of it is pants. but there are some real gems.

have a listen to Akercocke (recommended tracks leviathan, verdelet,)

Ihsahn (misanthrope, unhealer, threnody)

Old Man's Child (Black seeds on virgin soil, into eternity)

Also, continuing the ambient music theme, has anyone listened to a band called Ahab? theyre really really dark & atmospheric. Have a listen to their song 'The Pacific' & Imagine necrons waking up slowly after millenia of stasis.

I never said that I automatically dismiss Black Metal as crap, I'll always give a band a listen before I decide whether I like it or not.

For instance, my favorite Industrial band of all time, Psyclon Nine, has extreme Black Metal influences, probably moreso than any other Industrial band. Enfold Darkness is one of my favorite bands beyond Progressive Death Metal, and they're considered Technical Black Metal (Even though they kind of forsake the whole Norwegian/Swedish Black Metal archetype). I also like a few songs from Dimmu Borgir (Blessings Upon the Throne of Tyranny and Architecture of a Genocidal Nature come to mind), but they're a lot simpler than most of the stuff I'm used to listening to, so that's probably why I didn't mention them.

The reason I guess I'm so biased against Black Metal in the first place is that 90% of the entire scene relies more on their image than their actual musical talent. Also, I really hate the "swinging" chord progressions (I don't really know how else to explain it) that most Black Metal relies on. Just not my thing.

Their only album I have is Heartwork

Dude get Symphonies of Sickness and Necroticism. That's the good stuff, their melodeath is pathetic, more like melodic death rock if you ask me. If i want to listen to melodeath i'll listen to At the Gates or Dark Tranquility

I'm not into that much black metal either, but there's a couple of bands and songs that i know.

De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (By Mayhem) has the most evil riff i have ever heard in my life.

Chrysaor686 wrote:I never said that I automatically dismiss Black Metal as crap, I'll always give a band a listen before I decide whether I like it or not.

For instance, my favorite Industrial band of all time, Psyclon Nine, has extreme Black Metal influences, probably moreso than any other Industrial band. Enfold Darkness is one of my favorite bands beyond Progressive Death Metal, and they're considered Technical Black Metal (Even though they kind of forsake the whole Norwegian/Swedish Black Metal archetype). I also like a few songs from Dimmu Borgir (Blessings Upon the Throne of Tyranny and Architecture of a Genocidal Nature come to mind), but they're a lot simpler than most of the stuff I'm used to listening to, so that's probably why I didn't mention them.

The reason I guess I'm so biased against Black Metal in the first place is that 90% of the entire scene relies more on their image than their actual musical talent. Also, I really hate the "swinging" chord progressions (I don't really know how else to explain it) that most Black Metal relies on. Just not my thing.

Ill have to give enfold darkness a go, Ive not listened to them before, but they sound sexy!

Dimmu are OK. I like Dimmu, but thats mainly because Im willing to embrace any form of cheese. I kind of see dimmu as being (although Im loathe to use the term 'commercial') commercial black metal. I.e they've taken the black metal aesthetic & made it into a format that appeals to many people rather than just a few. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing.

Ill give you that a lot of it is about the image with Black Metal, but in fairness the scene does have some first rate drummers.

Shagrath and Dimmu totally rip off Immortal and are making billions because they are so scene it's not funny

I agree Dimmu rip off immortal, but theyre not making anything close to a lot of money off of it.

Metal musicians can barely make money. I would imagine Dimmu make enough money to live comfortably, & whoever writes the lyrics makes a little more than that.

Good luck finding any Enfold Darkness that's written by the new lineup. They've only kept one person in the band (The Guitarist) since the lineup that recorded their first CD, but the stuff written by the new lineup is astronomically better. You'd either have to go to one of their shows, or make good with the band and have them send you some free MP3s.

A new CD should be out soon, though.

I've never really been concerned with how "commercial" a band is, just how talented they are. Dimmu has a few gems, though I hate to say that most of their stuff is crap, even if it's true. That, and they're kind of the definition of "relying on image".

Most metal bands don't even make as much money as they would if they were working in fast food. Basically just enough to eat and keep the tour bus running, relying more on sales of T-shirts than CDs. I'd be willing to bet that Dimmu Borgir isn't doing any better than "comfortable middle class".

yeah, same here. 'Commercial' isnt necessarily a bad thing.

interestingly, did you know know most bands only make about 17 & a half p (£0.17) from each CD sale?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGywo81G6lk&feature=related

I just came across this while ambling aimlessly around Youtube, which I do occasionally out of boredom. It's the funniest, strangest thing I've seen since Lordi.

The Philsonator wrote:For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

Byron Bay? That scum-hole?



There's a lot of good Australian music, but you hardcore kids wouldn't know a thing about good music, would ya?

Byron Bay IS improving, though A_F. Nothing short of a nuke will fix the place though.

They're imposing restricitions on buskers and all of that lame hippy tripe.

Quite like Kraftwerk, and Queensryche (Yes, they're from Seattle, pre-dating grunge and still playing, but America is still 'furren' enough for me.)

Otherwise, more foreign stuff is probably going to go to Nightwish, which a finnish metal head friend put me onto.

talking of nordic metal - eluveitie

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

The Philsonator wrote:For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

Byron Bay? That scum-hole?



There's a lot of good Australian music, but you hardcore kids wouldn't know a thing about good music, would ya?

Lol i'm far from a scene kid, but i don't know much metal from here, i don't touch that deathcore

Camille

I like Classical Music, which i guess is foreign as the big composers were Russian, and German. I also Like Italian Singing Music such as the 3 Tenors or stuff along those lines.

The Philsonator wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

The Philsonator wrote:For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

Byron Bay? That scum-hole?



There's a lot of good Australian music, but you hardcore kids wouldn't know a thing about good music, would ya?

Lol i'm far from a scene kid, but i don't know much metal from here, i don't touch that deathcore

As long as you stamp the suffix 'core' onto everything, you're a scene kid. Sorry, but that's the nut. Can you give me some examples of 'deathcore', if you're referring to Aussie bands?

On that note, Deicide has a nice death-groove.

I'm a keyboardist and I use that as an excuse to listen to a lot of odd progressive stuff. Obviously a classical fan, and I've done a lot of composition. Lots and lots of metal... the first band I 'got into' was actually Sepultura when I was five or six... so I'm partial to good old thrash. I listen to a lot of music that people would find it difficult to listen to for enjoyment, but you just sort of get bored of the same old crap when you can play it yourself.

This is me a few years ago: VVV

Th Red Shore, Job For A Cowboy, Bring Me the Horizon, Suicide Silence...
All lame typical deathcore, and yes it's actual name is deathcore, because it's metalcore fused with death metal influences.

WeCameWithBrokenTeeth and Waking the Cadaver are sucky mallcore "grind" bands...

Yeah i'm defiantly not scene.

And when i mean there's no good new music coming out of Australia, i mean the present. Sure i listen to A LOT of metal, but i listen to other stuff too, but there's simply nothing decent coming out of Aus, be it rock, metal, rap, or pop.

somecallmeJack wrote:talking of nordic metal - eluveitie

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o

More Gaelic than Nordic, but they're good. I saw them live this past summer, they're great (the violinist is easy on the eyes to boot).

Too bad the Bagpiper and the bassist(I think) left. They rocked out.

The only thing Deathcore takes from Metalcore is the melody. Sure, there are a lot of "death" bands that emo kids like to associate with, but you can't truly label them Deathcore unless they're heavily into melody. If you're too damn hardcore to listen to anything that's related to Metalcore (because you have some misconception that it's going to tell you to cut yourself and cry), then good for you, but don't insult it until you actually look into the genre. There IS some really good Deathcore out there, you just have to do some digging.

It's not anyone's fault that you have to slap the word "core" onto every other metal genre these days (Metalcore, Deathcore, Thrashcore, Grindcore, Gorecore), that's just what everything's called. If you called it anything else, no one would really know what you were talking about. Don't listen to much metal these days, do you, Arctic_Firangi?

Yeah, but all the bands i said ARE deathcore. I like metalcore, nothing wrong with that, just deathcore all sounds the same to me and i can't get into it because real death metal just destroys it, and i'd rather listen to that.

I am THE metal messiah on this site, and everywhere i go. I know what i'm talking about dude.

Anyway let's get off the topic off deathcore, it sucks, get's enough attention as it is.

I hate all that deathmetal gak!!!!!

Slayer and Opeth is where I draw the line with metal!!!!

opeth FOR THE WIN.

Ghetto Fight, list to a song called Son of the Morning by Akercocke.