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coredump wrote:Heh... can't wait for that.

Okay, try these.

Can a lictor assault after Deepstrike? (Codex says yes, BrB says no.)

Do Nids fall back towards synapse? (Codex says yes, brb says no.)


A codex does what it says it does. It is designed to change/break rules that are in the BRB. If they didn't want us to follow the rule in the codex, they could have errata'd it in the FAQ

Coredump has it right.

It doesn't matter in the least when the codex was written or for which edition it was designed. As long as it the most current codex, its rules trump the BRB when they are at odds. This is GWs current stance. So, it doesn't matter if you are using the new SM dex, the 4th ed DA dex, or the 3rd ed DE dex. If there ever comes a point where the codex and BRB disagree, then codex >BRB...period.

This is why DA attack bikes and Speeders (that are bought as part of an attack squadron) are scoring units... because their codex says so! That's it...end of story. It is also why DA smoke launchers allow you only to be glanced on the turn you launch them, when the BRB says that smoke launchers give a 4+ cover save.

The list of things where Codexes from other editions trump BRB is quite extensive...especially since there is only one real 5th codex out there atm. You may not like that DA get scoring speeders, but that is too bad for you...it is the rule.

MagickalMemories wrote:It's nothing like Pedro.
Pedro Cantor was written with 5e rules CURRENT and IN MIND.

This codex, contrary to one person's supposition (without back up) was written WAY before 5e was published and in no way reflects 5e rules.

Later, when I am at home with my books, I will post the evidence that anyone thinking these models can claim is utterly wrong.

Eric

The funny part about saying "what was in mind" is that only the people in the design studio know that. To think that at the time DA was released, they did not already have on their working boards, rough drafts and or outlines for the new 5th edition is a bit silly to me.

You can work all the way back to Codex Chaos. At first some would have assumed that having the units most comonly associated with a certian god, placed in the "Troops" section was so that people with current theme armies could still play them. But if you look at it "with 5th in mind" it continues to make them playable simply because they are "Troops" and can score. Coincidence?

Take the DA Codex. I think its pretty clear the massive similarities between it and the New Marine book. Combat Squads, points for Rhino's and other vehicles, what comes standard on squads and vehicles etc. All the same or similar. My point with that though, is that they knew it would be a testing ground for how to make a forthcoming Marine codex that they knew would not be out until after the release of 5th. So if your going to test concecpts and design for a codex that you know isnt going to be out until 5th, you dont think they didnt include some of those elements in DA and "have 5th in mind" when they made it?

Since Codex Eldar there have been designs put into each codex that has made previous theme lists still playable under 5th rules. Jetbikes being moved to Troops. Wraithguard bought as 10 moved to Troops. Dire Avengers (I dont know if they were moved) are Troops. Those three things took care of Iyandan, Siam-Han, and Biel-Tan lists.

Then Codex Dark Angels. We have Characters that allow you to take Deathwing and Ravenwing units as Troops.

Then Codex Chaos has Bezerkers, Thousand Sons, Plague Marines, and Noise Marines in Troops. This makes World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperors Children and Thousand Sons all playable.

Next is Codex Orks. Under the proper requirements, you can have Bikes, Nobz, and Def Dreads as Troops. That takes care of Speed Freaks and some other lists I dont recall the names for. The important differance here is that DA specifically says their vehicles taken as Troops do score, unlike the Deff Dreads.

Then we have Codex Deamons, with things like Assault Grenades and Defensive Grenades that were not game terms when it was released. Coincidence that they are in 5th?

So with all the Codeci mentioned above what do we have as the most important thing in common? The ability to take certian lists, under 5th, whose "core" is still allowed to "Score". If 5th wasnt in mind to some degree with all these Codeci, then I would have to say GW got unbelieveably lucky when making the new rules so that all these Codeci could still have their "theme" armies still fully playable under 5th. However, I fully believe that core concepts for 5th have been on the boards for sometime and that these Codeci all had elements put unto them to ensure as smooth a transition as possible to 5th and what was in mind at their respective times.

All this is purely my attempt at an explination beyond "The Codex says so". While that statement really is as far as you need to go, you can look deeper and see that certian core elements of 5th (only Troops score for one) are addressed in these Codeci that came out in some cases well before its Official release.