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Razerous wrote:In addition to what wuestenfux said;

The ability to use GoI > The lack of the ability to use GoI

Of course that is true, I wasn't arguing that you should just take the Librarian out and force the Termies to foot slog the whole way. What I was saying is that to be effective, assault Terminators need to be able to catch the enemy, and adding a Libby doesn't make them *that* much more. In order to do that, they really need a LR to be completely effective (as that will let them go up to 20" or so in one turn, without forcing them to worry about scattering onto the enemy or terrain).

While it is true that if you focus fire the assault termies with their 2+/3++ save, it will take a long time to kill them and the rest of the army will have a field day with you, my point is that you don't have to. The example with the Oblits was just in response to someone saying that Oblits will take forever to kill them, and I was pointing out that if they focus you they kill half a unit a turn. However, since as I mentioned the Assault termies will take forever to catch someone (I'll grant that you can pin someone to a side or corner eventually, but that will take 2-3 turns), the opponent can focus on destroying the rest of your army and completely ignore the assault termies. Then once you finally get close enough to be a threat, they take one throwaway unit, move it towards you and right in your face, then move the rest of their army away. So you use your 400 point unit to murder some 150 point unit of whatever, and then you are even farther away from the enemy, because you moved 2+d6 inches that turn, instead of 6+d6, while they continued to kite you.

I'm not saying Assault Terminators are bad or anything, just that they are slow and you need to be able to get them where they need to go. I'm arguing that the Librarian just doesn't do that well enough, against a good player who knows what he is doing. A Land Raider, on the other hand, will absolutely get you there, as well as providing even more protection against the random shots that they will take. It also provides a mobile gun platform and the ability to tank-shock and clump up your opponent.