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AFAIK It's something I came up with for the debate, but seeing as 'truth' is subjective (Not to be confused with fact), 'true crime' is also subjective. However, I think my example is suitable for what I mean.

Yes I know they are, but I keep runnin em through those mazes anyways.

BloodofOrks wrote:Dude do you seriously think Pakistani prisons don't torture? Or that breakouts aren't extremely common in that part of the world? The entire situation is horrible inside and out. I agree its a huge cultural problem, but in these tribal areas a lot of people don't want civilization. How do you suggest one gives it to them then? Also remember their is a huge difference between talking trash about people who commit horrible crimes on an online forum, and actually calling for violence. I admit I overstated my intentions in my first post, but if you had ever seen the results of this practice first hand, you'd be pretty sensitive to this issue as well.

Yes, Pakistan tortures. It's a bad thing when that happens.

Again, the answer is to improve the judicial practices in the country. Progress has been made (far too slowly, but there has been progress).

But the argument about 'these people don't want civilisation' is out and out racist poppycock.

Lordhat wrote:AFAIK It's something I came up with for the debate, but seeing as 'truth' is subjective (Not to be confused with fact), 'true crime' is also subjective. However, I think my example is suitable for what I mean.

Cool, it's an interesting way of differentiating the two. Maybe a bit dramatic, but this is the internet.

sebster wrote:

BloodofOrks wrote:Dude do you seriously think Pakistani prisons don't torture? Or that breakouts aren't extremely common in that part of the world? The entire situation is horrible inside and out. I agree its a huge cultural problem, but in these tribal areas a lot of people don't want civilization. How do you suggest one gives it to them then? Also remember their is a huge difference between talking trash about people who commit horrible crimes on an online forum, and actually calling for violence. I admit I overstated my intentions in my first post, but if you had ever seen the results of this practice first hand, you'd be pretty sensitive to this issue as well.

Yes, Pakistan tortures. It's a bad thing when that happens.

Again, the answer is to improve the judicial practices in the country. Progress has been made (far too slowly, but there has been progress).

But the argument about 'these people don't want civilisation' is out and out racist poppycock.

I'm talking about Taliban supporting thugs. They are very clear in articulating that they do not want a western society. I said "a lot of people" not all. Also, where has progress been made specifically in Pakistan? Last time I checked, Taliban militants had captured the Swat Valley which is only one hundred miles form Islamabad and Rawalpindi. Remember, we're talking about borderline failed states. Even if the leaders of these nations wanted to enact social change, they lack the power to do so. These countries cannot be reasonably held to the same humanitarian standards as first world nations.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Because righteous vengeance on a grand scale demands that no one is spared.

Why hurt the person who has hurt you when you can wipe him and his family from existence?

If I caught someone breaking into my house, not only would I beat down on them but I would burn down their house, trash their car and do a letter drop in their neighbourhood saying they were a pedophile. They won't be breaking and entering again in a hurry....

But Waughy thats not nurturing.

BloodofOrks wrote:I'm talking about Taliban supporting thugs. They are very clear in articulating that they do not want a western society. I said "a lot of people" not all. Also, where has progress been made specifically in Pakistan? Last time I checked, Taliban militants had captured the Swat Valley which is only one hundred miles form Islamabad and Rawalpindi. Remember, we're talking about borderline failed states. Even if the leaders of these nations wanted to enact social change, they lack the power to do so. These countries cannot be reasonably held to the same humanitarian standards as first world nations.

Wait, are we talking about Pakistan or Iran? Because the original incident occurred in Iran, but then I mentioned Pakistan as a reference to where this is really common. Now if we're going to talk about progress in either country then we're going to have to be clear about exactly which country we're talking about.

If we're talking about Pakistan, then the answer is that yes, in this specific area progress has been made. There is a point in women going to the police to lay charges, and courts will follow up on the issue. This is quite seperate to the issue of political control of Pakistan, where a minority of the population (around 20%) is able to assert considerable power thanks to an ineffectual government.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Because righteous vengeance on a grand scale demands that no one is spared.

Why hurt the person who has hurt you when you can wipe him and his family from existence?

If I caught someone breaking into my house, not only would I beat down on them but I would burn down their house, trash their car and do a letter drop in their neighbourhood saying they were a pedophile. They won't be breaking and entering again in a hurry....

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Seriously, I wish eye-for-an-eye was a more common punishment. I mean, how many rapes would happen if the idiot new that someone, somewhere would be waiting for him with a 3 3/4 inch pipe?

Similar crimes happen in the UK too.

It is an aspect of extreme traditional Islamic culture, which is not religiously determined but arises from a general misogynistic world-view combined with a religious excuse to justify continued persecution of women.