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**Frazzled**

what the???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29509977/

Blinded woman demands eye-for-eye justice
Iranian welcomes harsh punishment for suitor who blinded her with acid

updated 11:03 a.m. CT, Wed., March. 4, 2009
MADRID - An Iranian woman living in Spain said Wednesday she welcomed a Tehran court ruling that awards her eye-for-an-eye justice against a suitor who blinded her with acid.

Ameneh Bahrami, 30, told Cadena SER radio, "I am not doing this out of revenge, but rather so that the suffering I went through is not repeated."

Late last year an Iranian court ruled that the man — identified only as Majid — who blinded Bahrami in 2004 after she spurned him, should also be blinded with acid based on the Islamic law system of "qisas," or eye for an eye retribution, according to Iranian newspaper reports from November.

But Bahrami, who moved to Spain after the attack to get medical treatment, said Wednesday that under Iranian law, she is entitled to blind him in only one eye, unless she pays $25,110, because in Iran women are not considered equal to men.

"They have told us that my two eyes are equal to one of his because in my country each man is worth two women. They are not the same," she told Cadena SER.

Bahrami explained that she was now waiting for a letter from the court to go back to Iran for the punishment to be carried out.

Cadenda SER said that after undergoing treatment in Barcelona, Bahrami recovered 40 percent vision in one eye but since then doctors have not been able to prevent her from going totally blind. She also suffered horrific burns to her face, scalp and body.

She says she now survives on $500 a month in aid from the Spanish government.

The woman said Majid would be blinded by having several drops of acid put into one eye, whereas she had acid splashed all over her face and other parts of her body.

It was not immediately possible to make contact with Bahrami on Wednesday. No one at the Iranian Embassy was available for comment either.

**dietrich**

As awful as this event is, I think the most disturbing part is that the law will allow her to pay the guy $25,110 to blind him in both eyes. But, if she doesn't have the money, it's only one eye. Talk about buying justice.

**Valhallan42nd**

Does she take paypal?

**grizgrin**

yeah, seriously. is there any way to contact her?

**warpcrafter**

How about she uses the money to hire someone to throw acid on him, and they both take their chances as to where it lands.

**grizgrin**

yeah, what are they going to do? blind her?

**Typeline**

warpcrafter wrote:How about she uses the money to hire someone to throw acid on him, and they both take their chances as to where it lands.

Good idea, could probably get it done for less than half of that.

I saw this on television about a week ago.

**dietrich**

In that culture, I'm surprised that her father has come forward asking for money from the attacker for damaging the father's 'property'.

**LuciusAR**

Wow. That's possibly the most inappropriate 'justice' I can imagine.

As must as people complain that western justice is sometimes too soft, I'm glad we don't resort to this sort of barbarism.

**BloodofOrks**

I used to know a woman who had acid throw at her for turning down a marriage proposal. Fortunately her attacker missed her eyes. Anyone who would do something so cruel has voided their right to be considered a human being. Screw an eye for an eye, bury the scumbag alive.

**Frazzled**

I'd be down with that.

**grizgrin**

like, can I donate to that one to? seriously, we should start a charity.

**avantgarde**

Well at least it's step up, 10 years ago you would have needed 10 male witnesses and a video recording to prove it wasn't the woman's fault.

**Da Boss**

That's pretty horrible from about every angle.
Christ.

**sebster**

BloodofOrks wrote:I used to know a woman who had acid throw at her for turning down a marriage proposal. Fortunately her attacker missed her eyes. Anyone who would do something so cruel has voided their right to be considered a human being. Screw an eye for an eye, bury the scumbag alive.

Damn straight. Anyone who’d so something so cruel and sadistic deserves to be cruelly and sadistically punished for it!

Wait, what?

**Cheese Elemental**

I personally belive in 'an eye for an eye' to a certain extent. This guy certainly deserves it, but if, for example, you were a wifebeater, then you should be flogged, not beaten up by a thug,

**BloodofOrks**

sebster wrote:
BloodofOrks wrote:I used to know a woman who had acid throw at her for turning down a marriage proposal. Fortunately her attacker missed her eyes. Anyone who would do something so cruel has voided their right to be considered a human being. Screw an eye for an eye, bury the scumbag alive.

Damn straight. Anyone who’d so something so cruel and sadistic deserves to be cruelly and sadistically punished for it!

Wait, what?

This kind of stuff is common in some areas of the world. How do you recommend it be stopped? Guilt? These are people who have permanently disfigured others because their pride was hurt. Severe punishment is clearly needed to discourage this sort of thing as the people who are doing it believe it was the woman's fault for rejecting them. Once the practice is no longer a social norm, then we can talk about humanitarianism. I'm all for helping people and I believe in non-violence, but it's unrealistic to think that selfish ignorant people will change without either being offered incentive (which I don't think is really possible in this case) or being threatened with punishment. The guy who burned the face of the woman I knew got away with it. No punishment, nothing. This kind of person is shameless. I'm sorry if my example was extreme, but in tribal areas in the mid-east and elsewhere, women are treated like property and the men who oppress them don't care what the outside world thinks of them.

**Waaagh_Gonads**

If it was my daughter I would have done a 'Dexter' on his ass and he'd be in several pieces, wrapped in garbage bags, spread in different locations across the country, along with his parents, siblings, and family friends.... Actually more of a Keyser Söze than a Dexter.

**Cheese Elemental**

Why get the family too?

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Because righteous vengeance on a grand scale demands that no one is spared.

Why hurt the person who has hurt you when you can wipe him and his family from existence?

If I caught someone breaking into my house, not only would I beat down on them but I would burn down their house, trash their car and do a letter drop in their neighbourhood saying they were a pedophile. They won't be breaking and entering again in a hurry....

**99MDeery**

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Because righteous vengeance on a grand scale demands that no one is spared.

Why hurt the person who has hurt you when you can wipe him and his family from existence?

If I caught someone breaking into my house, not only would I beat down on them but I would burn down their house, trash their car and do a letter drop in their neighbourhood saying they were a pedophile. They won't be breaking and entering again in a hurry....

*moves slowly away from Gonads*

**Orkeosaurus**

They should just dump a bunch of acid on him and put the vid on YouTube.

Just like drive-by aciding. Maybe they could have a catch-phrase in there or something too.

"You just got acid-bucketed!"
"Aaaaraaargahgahghagh"

**sebster**

BloodofOrks wrote:This kind of stuff is common in some areas of the world.

Yes, it’s particularly common in Pakistan, and is awful.

How do you recommend it be stopped? Guilt? These are people who have permanently disfigured others because their pride was hurt. Severe punishment is clearly needed to discourage this sort of thing as the people who are doing it believe it was the woman's fault for rejecting them. Once the practice is no longer a social norm, then we can talk about humanitarianism. I'm all for helping people and I believe in non-violence, but it's unrealistic to think that selfish ignorant people will change without either being offered incentive (which I don't think is really possible in this case) or being threatened with punishment. The guy who burned the face of the woman I knew got away with it. No punishment, nothing. This kind of person is shameless. I'm sorry if my example was extreme, but in tribal areas in the mid-east and elsewhere, women are treated like property and the men who oppress them don't care what the outside world thinks of them.

You’re considering ‘do nothing’ and ‘sadistic torture’ and ignoring the existence of prisons.

And yes, people get away with blinding women. But the problem isn’t with a lack of suitable punishment, but with the culture among the police and court systems. The answer isn’t to be found in sadism and other barbarism, but in reform of the justice system. More civilisation, not less.

**Lordhat**

sebster wrote:

More civilisation, not less.

Hasn't gotten us very far yet.

**sebster**

Lordhat wrote:Hasn't gotten us very far yet.

So you're on the record as being anti-civilisation?

**Lordhat**

Nope, I'm all for it. I love warhams and the the 'net and all the other comforts that make up my life. I'm just not one to see 'civilisation' as a utopia. It certainly hasn't reduced the violence an average person would expect to experience during their lifetime, nor has it improved humanity's goodwill toward itself. As a matter of fact IMO the more civilization, the more true 'crime'. Yes we do a lot of good in this world, more efficiently than we used to, but every coin has two faces.

An eye for an eye is a perfect justice system, but only when both parties are willing to keep it to the eyes; More often it's 'A son for a father for a brother for a leg for an arm for an eye for an eye.'

**sebster**

Lordhat wrote:Nope, I'm all for it. I love warhams and the the 'net and all the other comforts that make up my life. I'm just not one to see 'civilisation' as a utopia. It certainly hasn't reduced the violence an average person would expect to experience during their lifetime, nor has it improved humanity's goodwill toward itself. As a matter of fact IMO the more civilization, the more true 'crime'. Yes we do a lot of good in this world, more efficiently than we used to, but every coin has two faces.

The suggestion that there has been no reduction in the violence in an average person's life is not true. Violent crime has dropped consistantly, decade by decade.

I have no idea what true 'crime' is.

An eye for an eye is a perfect justice system, but only when both parties are willing to keep it to the eyes; More often it's 'A son for a father for a brother for a leg for an arm for an eye for an eye.'

You're making some massive assumptions about the causes of crime, and the purposes of a justice system there.

**Lordhat**

True crime is thatwhich is inficted upon another person for no ambiguous reason: Stealing an apple to feed your starving child is a crime; Stealing a starving child's apple to put it in a barrel with the rest of your stolen apples is a true crime.

And the 'fact' that violent crime has dropped over the decades isn't one I'm willing to believe. I've lived in too many (american) inner cities. Not even the very worst parts of those cities.

Now as I said I'm not ANTI-civilisation, I'm just anti "more civlisation will cure our woes". I also wouldn't be surprised when civilistaion stop due to whatever reason (WW3, mega-disaster, global warming, the Mice get the question to their answer and reboot us....)

**BloodofOrks**

sebster wrote:
BloodofOrks wrote:This kind of stuff is common in some areas of the world.

Yes, it’s particularly common in Pakistan, and is awful.

How do you recommend it be stopped? Guilt? These are people who have permanently disfigured others because their pride was hurt. Severe punishment is clearly needed to discourage this sort of thing as the people who are doing it believe it was the woman's fault for rejecting them. Once the practice is no longer a social norm, then we can talk about humanitarianism. I'm all for helping people and I believe in non-violence, but it's unrealistic to think that selfish ignorant people will change without either being offered incentive (which I don't think is really possible in this case) or being threatened with punishment. The guy who burned the face of the woman I knew got away with it. No punishment, nothing. This kind of person is shameless. I'm sorry if my example was extreme, but in tribal areas in the mid-east and elsewhere, women are treated like property and the men who oppress them don't care what the outside world thinks of them.

You’re considering ‘do nothing’ and ‘sadistic torture’ and ignoring the existence of prisons.

And yes, people get away with blinding women. But the problem isn’t with a lack of suitable punishment, but with the culture among the police and court systems. The answer isn’t to be found in sadism and other barbarism, but in reform of the justice system. More civilisation, not less.

Dude do you seriously think Pakistani prisons don't torture? Or that breakouts aren't extremely common in that part of the world? The entire situation is horrible inside and out. I agree its a huge cultural problem, but in these tribal areas a lot of people don't want civilization. How do you suggest one gives it to them then? Also remember their is a huge difference between talking trash about people who commit horrible crimes on an online forum, and actually calling for violence. I admit I overstated my intentions in my first post, but if you had ever seen the results of this practice first hand, you'd be pretty sensitive to this issue as well.

**sebster**

Lordhat wrote:True crime is thatwhich is inficted upon another person for no ambiguous reason: Stealing an apple to feed your starving child is a crime; Stealing a starving child's apple to put it in a barrel with the rest of your stolen apples is a true crime.

Is that like a term people use, or is something you've just coined for the purpose of this debate. I'm not being funny, I've just never heard it before.

And the 'fact' that violent crime has dropped over the decades isn't one I'm willing to believe. I've lived in too many (american) inner cities. Not even the very worst parts of those cities.

Interestingly enough, I popped off to get some stats to prove my claim. Turns out the relationship isn't as strong as I claimed. Worldwide there's been a consistent drop, but country to country the pattern isn't so clear. In the US, for instance, there was a peak in murders per capita in the 70s, and while it has dropped since then it's still much higher than it was in the 30s. Interesting stuff.

Now as I said I'm not ANTI-civilisation, I'm just anti "more civlisation will cure our woes". I also wouldn't be surprised when civilistaion stop due to whatever reason (WW3, mega-disaster, global warming, the Mice get the question to their answer and reboot us....)

The answer is 42, the mice are looking for the question