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Frazzled wrote:Ok, just for sake of argument though, if he's slipping from humanity why isn't he shifting to androgenous?

When he "rebuild" himself after the accident, he still had male anatomy in mind and after he that, he probably just didn't care about it that much.

edit: also he's still in a "relationship" with Silk Spectre.

He's slipping from humanity by not actually feeling connected to other people - not understanding them, not being connected to their problems, emotions, etc. Losing touch.

But he's not actively rejecting it or trying to change...it's a passive thing. There's no reason for his appearance to change, he's not losing touch with what he looks like, he's just losing touch with other people/humanity in general.

The only reason I could see him changing his appearance very much would be if it had a practial effect on his ability to do whatever work he was doing. Otherwise it would just make more sense for him to stick with what he's always looked like.

Now to the threat issue. If he's losing touch with humanity, how long is it before he becomes a threat to humanity? (is that a plot part of Watchmen?) How separate is it before the break becomes dangerous? After all I'd posit serial killers, schizos, and megalomaniacs are all having breaks with reality.

Frazzled wrote:Now to the threat issue. If he's losing touch with humanity, how long is it before he becomes a threat to humanity? (is that a plot part of Watchmen?) How separate is it before the break becomes dangerous? After all I'd posit serial killers, schizos, and megalomaniacs are all having breaks with reality.

It’s a big part of Watchmen. Thing is, though, he isn’t losing track of reality, just losing his connections to humanity. Once you gain the ability to understand and reshape reality at the molecular level and begin to perceive multiple points in time simultaneously, then all those wandering piles of flesh probably aren’t as important as you once thought they were.

Most definitely NOT a spoiler.

Just saw the film, and have mixed feelings.

Production was superb (except for Nixon, where the make up was terrible). Rorschach was amazing, and the Comedian was probably better (I never really 'got' the Comedian in the comic book, but the performance here made the character work and made his part in the story make a lot more sense to me).

The music was brilliant. Basically a long list of iconic songs, all used to excellent effect.

And it was very faithful to the comic book.

But for all that, it wasn't completely satisfying. I've heard people say it was badly paced but I think it was about as well paced as you could expect. The comic is at least half exposition, and a lot of the rest is resolution or conceptual stuff, there really isn't a lot of actual plot. They showed everything they needed to show, and still had to leave out the Black Freighter, and in its absence a really important shade of grey is left off of the resolution.

I think maybe it's a very well executed version of a comic book that might well have been unfilmable afterall.

There wasn't that much blue penis, by the way.


Also, the credits listed Truman Capote as a character, but I didn't notice him and now its bothering me. Anyone spot him during the film?

@Sebster:

Pretty sure Truman Capote is in the Andy Warhol/Nite Owl painting scene of the beginning montage.

sebster wrote:

The credits did list Truman Capote as a character, but I didn't notice him and now its bothering me. Anyone spot him during the film?

He's standing next to Andy Warhol in the opening credits.

I thought the movie was excellent. Alot of the violence, while seemingly gratuitous, was there to drive home one of the messages of the movie - the fact that humanity is hopelessly brutal and violent. It's a little bit of the shade of grey that is lost by the exclusion of the Black Freighter story.

Manhattans blue man-bits were not only a part of the storyline, but barely noticeable. The blue glow really obscures the details.

Anyways, the point is that the movie, I felt, was very true to the comic (I was never too fond of the squid alien thing in the first place) and did an excellent job not only conveying the story, but developing the characters and drawing you in to the Watchmen world.


EDIT: That cartoon scares me.

In case some of you don't know it yet, the Black Freighter story will be part of the Special Edition DVD and is voiced by Gerald Butler, also known as Mr. "THIS IS SPARTA!!!"

lambadomy wrote:@Sebster:

Pretty sure Truman Capote is in the Andy Warhol/Nite Owl painting scene of the beginning montage.

LuciusAR wrote:He's standing next to Andy Warhol in the opening credits.

Thanks fellas.

I saw Watchmen, and I was pretty happy with it. 4/5

For all the hubbub, I think the attempted rape scene and aftermath were both handled very well.

I like how the human themes (forgiveness, compromise, justice, faithfulness, hope) really emerge as individual character struggles.

It was nice how the story moved along, and kept a lot of the comic-book "issue" feel.

I take a point off, because of the squid thing, but the ending and the ending to the ending both work just fine.

Overall, good flick, and well worth seeing. I paid $3, so I definitely got my money's worth!

Well after not being able to find anything on those xbox live things. I've ordered the book, hadn't been a member of a book club for a few years, so I've rejoined Fantasy and Sci-fi and got the GN for £3.

Just got to wait for it to arrive, depending if I do or don't like the book, will decide for me if I should grab the DVD or wait for it on Sky.

I'm interested to see if it is as good as folks have said now though.

Well, the DVD director's cut is about 4 hours long. You have to find out for yourself if you're interested in that or not.

I just got back from it.

I read the book about 12 years ago so I couldn't remember all the details. It hung together as a story.

I agree it was too long. I was enjoying it but about halfway through I just started feeling bored. The pace picked up again though so I was able to enjoy the rest.

The music was too obviously chosen and banged in at just the right places. It needed to be more subtle. Some of the fights were like that too. As if the director had programmed action sequences at predictable intervals.

Some of the violence was very shocking. Possibly because a lot of the film is quite slow paced.

I am not convinced that Snyder is a good director. It's not that hard to film a comic book. All the production design, script and storyboarding has already been done for you.

Aw no comment on the pic i drew?

Frazzled wrote:Ok, just for sake of argument though, if he's slipping from humanity why isn't he shifting to androgenous?

Dr Manhattan has to retain a strong human form for dramatic purposes. The plot about him losing his emotional connection to humanity is far more believable than if he manifested as a blue diamond or a ball of plasma.

Picked up the Tales of The Black Frieghter dvd. Pretty good imo.