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Solorg wrote:I use nickels also. They are the perfect size and weight. Washers are a poor substitute. And they are definitely more than 1 cent each.

I don't weigh all my bases, but some of these will fall right over, and those deserve nickels.

My 5 cents.
Solorg

Amen brother!!! Besides, all of my nickels (so far) I found around the house. They fit well and viola! Call it laziness or whatever. Besides, I could pop the nickels out, soak them overnight in Super Clean and they are fit for circulation again!

A good technique. I've been modeling my hormagaunts with their arms down to make them less top heavy but it does look a bit odd.

Man, if I only had a nickel for every time one of my top heavy models tipped over...

GoFenris wrote:

The Green Git wrote:

BigToof wrote:Same here. Naturally this is illegal because you're defacing the currency of something else equally nitpicky, but screw 'em.

Defacing Currency:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426715

Not so sure about the defacing part... I've had nickels fall out of the base when they take a good knock and they look just the same as when I stuck 'em in there.

I prefer to think of it as "creative savings".

Damn, this was my small way of stickin' it to the man! Maybe I'll start filing one side first before putting them in!

Well what ever you do DON'T Post .... about .... ..... it ..... .... ... on the 'net. Damn, we're screwed!

Ha! That's funny!

I already purchased The Anarchist's Cookbook online so I'm probably on some watch list somewhere. Although probably not nearly as important as I'd like to think!

Gluing money together, or to the bottom of bases or... etc. is not illegal. Drilling holes in money is not illegal. Drawing or writing on money is not illegal.
I forget the statute but those lilttle machines that turn pennies into stretched out images? That isn't even illegal.

Ignoring the penny stretching for this... The acts mentioned above do not make the money unfit for circulation. The money will still circulate fine.
If it was just that you did it with the INTENTION not to circulate it (like gluing it semi-permanently to bases), then just SAVING the money in a collection would be illegal (since you don't intend to return it into circulation.

You're reading WAY too much into it. I work in banking and, when I worked in a branch, had to be taught what money I was allowed to pass back out & what I wasn't. None of this is illegal.

Eric

Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or
unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill,
draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking
association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System,
with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence
of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than six months, or both.?

MagickalMemories wrote:Gluing money together, or to the bottom of bases or... etc. is not illegal. Drilling holes in money is not illegal. Drawing or writing on money is not illegal.
I forget the statute but those lilttle machines that turn pennies into stretched out images? That isn't even illegal.

Your confusing the letter of the law, defacing is illegal, destroying is not. The penny stretchers destroy the currency-hence they're legal. Drilling a hole would be defacing and is technically illegal.

Do you have any professional experience with this, or are you simply stating what your interpretation of the law is?
I have professional experience in banking. I've been the Vault Teller who has to decide what currency is fit for distribution and what needs to go to the Fed for destruction. I've worked a job that has to follow the laws in that regard.
What about you?

Back on topic... For plastic models, pennies should be MORE THAN heavy enough. It's what I use. Note, though, that they're probably TOO light for 40MM+ bases.


Eric

Same here. Naturally this is illegal because you're defacing the currency of something else equally nitpicky, but screw 'em.

slow reply i know
but its about the best use we will get from the old cow, not like she has any other use

MagickalMemories wrote:Do you have any professional experience with this, or are you simply stating what your interpretation of the law is?

Mr. Professional, here is the statute which you couldn't remember. No, I'm not a professional. And law is all about interpretation. To be honest, the statute actually reads like, as long as you don't intend to pass the defaced currency you are okay (in my non-professional opinion).

meh, its our money, we do what we like with it

there is a few machines that you put a penny into, turn a wheel and it prints a new pic onto coins, mainly at attractions lol

(Text as of 2/19/02) 18 U.S.C. §331:

Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled or lightened - shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. (Emphasis added.)

if your defaced coin isnt used as currency or circulated its fair game.

I love using US nickels because I always put the glue on Jefferson's face, the uppity jerk. Hamilton for life!!

........

Yeah. I also use birdshot for any bases that a nickel won't work it. Tends to require a fair bit of CA glue (superglue), but it works very well.

jabbakahut wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Do you have any professional experience with this, or are you simply stating what your interpretation of the law is?

Mr. Professional, here is the statute which you couldn't remember. No, I'm not a professional. And law is all about interpretation. To be honest, the statute actually reads like, as long as you don't intend to pass the defaced currency you are okay (in my non-professional opinion).

--Emphasis mine--

Then, get back to me when you're referring to actual facts and not opinions.

@Iorek--

Pfft. Lincoln was taller! Go, Abe!

Eric

So what about slotted bases? Nickels and washers will not work in one of those. What is thin enough to fit in that small space, but heavy enough to keep some of the heavier metal minis upright (i.e. Dante, damn his obnoxiously heavy jump pack!)?

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So what about slotted bases? Nickels and washers will not work in one of those. What is thin enough to fit in that small space, but heavy enough to keep some of the heavier metal minis upright (i.e. Dante, damn his obnoxiously heavy jump pack!)?

Fortunately for you, the answer is right here in this thread.

Iorek wrote:
Yeah. I also use birdshot for any bases that a nickel won't work it. Tends to require a fair bit of CA glue (superglue), but it works very well.

I've seen Yakface's models that he did this way and it does indeed work great (if you don't mind using lots of superglue).

I use epoxy in mine (to hold shot in place.).

Better than superglue.

I haven't yet managed to deface a coin by gluing it to something. No glue (that I've used) is 100% permanent and the coins just pop out with some encouragement.

That said, us aussies are fine with using our old 2c coins - as they stopped producing them when they cost 5x the face value to make. They are no longer legal currency. I'm sure my father-in-law still has a pickle jar full of them.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So what about slotted bases? Nickels and washers will not work in one of those. What is thin enough to fit in that small space, but heavy enough to keep some of the heavier metal minis upright (i.e. Dante, damn his obnoxiously heavy jump pack!)?

Just cut the nickle in half!

MagickalMemories wrote:

jabbakahut wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Do you have any professional experience with this, or are you simply stating what your interpretation of the law is?

Mr. Professional, here is the statute which you couldn't remember. No, I'm not a professional. And law is all about interpretation. To be honest, the statute actually reads like, as long as you don't intend to pass the defaced currency you are okay (in my non-professional opinion).

--Emphasis mine--

Then, get back to me when you're referring to actual facts and not opinions.

Facts? I'm the one who posted the actual statute! I like that because you once were a teller you know about the law? That makes sense, oh no, wait, that is just another opinion...

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For slotta bases you can, either, use "scrap" metal pieces from trimming tabs, etc. off of models.
If, for some reason, you have plastic models glued to the slotta bases and aren't using the "Slotta," you can trim the edges off of the underside of the base, and use coins. I've done this with 25mm and 40mm bases.

If you ARE using the slotta... then, it's a metal model and probably hefty enough. LOL

jabbakahut wrote:
Facts? I'm the one who posted the actual statute! I like that because you once were a teller you know about the law? That makes sense, oh no, wait, that is just another opinion...

You posted a statute, then gave your OPINION on what it meant.
I don't know it because I was a TELLER. I know it because I was TRAINED to know it. ; )

Eric