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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/08 15:18:42
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Was the word "Competitive" really necessary before " Lash Nurgle"...really?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/08 18:51:00
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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So do you deep strike the terminators, foot slog them, or a combination of the two?
Obliterators I assume are on the table from the beginning?
I'll have to test the LR/Berzerker unit. I'm definitely liking the "termicide" units.
As far as competitive non-lash lists I've piloted a similar list with all nurgle (nurgle DPs instead of Lash) and took 3rd in a tourney, but I don't think anyone would argue that double lash isn't superior. This list only comes out in tournaments or practicing for them. If I'm playing with friends for the hell of it I play other lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/08 18:56:19
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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Power-Hungry Cultist of Tzeentch
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Yes, I guess if you paid for the army, the travels, and the tournament fee, then you should not really feel bad about making an army for the sole sake of winning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/08 19:01:38
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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It's not like this is auto win either. I've been tabled by Daemons and Orks always give me fits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/08 19:41:48
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Dependng on the Orks list, you shouldn't have much trouble if you're careful. You should never, ever lose to Nob Bikes, ever. It is an extremely simple matchup for Lash to beat. Green Tide can be damn scary and a hard game to win as there are simply too many bodies coming at you at once, and KFF Meks make it much more difficult to drag them down. Loota Spam is difficult because you're almost certain to lose your Princes quickly (the Land Raider version of the list is much better against Loota spam and Orks in general to be honest, they don't have much that can handle AV14 and Berserkers slaughter Orks when they get the charge coming out of the front of the LR). Battlewagon spam is difficult if you're not prepared to deal with mechanized type lists, but if you're playing an army that is built with 5th edition in mind, you should be more than prepared to deal with lots of armor (melta spam, I play 18 melta weapons including oblits in my army).
Daemons are tough no matter what unless the Daemon player doesn't land his preferred detachment, then he is basically done for (assuming its the crusher/kairos type list, Epi lists recover much better from missing their preferred detachment).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/08 21:18:56
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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i have been experimenting with chosen, with icon, mark of nurgle so they live longer. infiltrate them, then deepstrike the lesser demons 6" away and assualt.
across the board on turn two and take an objective?! thats my advise. oh, and lose one prince, its just cheap, use those for termicide. now thats exciting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 15:56:34
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Well, a three Termie units are very fragile, and its questionable if they can take down a heavy vehicle with combi-meltas.
So, 3 shots, 2 hits on average.
Each hit of S8 has penetration 2D6 which gives 7 on average.
This eventually gives 2 penetrating hits.
The chance to destroy the tank is 1/2, destruction 4+.
Thus with certainty 3 Termies with combi-meltas will destroy a LR.
However, the situation changes dramatically if the Termies are not within 6'' of the LR.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:12:59
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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If they aren't within 6" they're not so amazing, but they're still going to make your opponent deal with them. 3 termies can still bring damage to support units and even win a combat against a tactical squad or its equivilent if they can avoid the hidden fist/power weapon. They can really wreak havoc in the backfield and if more than one unit falls at the same time, they can rally pull the opposing army's firepower apart a bit since 6 termies in the backfield is not ideal for anyone.
That said I do see your point because conceding KPs easily like that can be bad, and there is a fair amount of risk involved in trying to DS in right next to a tank (coming down on turn 2-3 though, you have a decent chance of getting them to fall in on an icon and still be effective). With 100-200 points to spend in the list though, they really offer a dynamic option that provides a different kind of threat than the rest of the army, forcing your opponent to reconsider wha he is doing at the very least.
Perhaps taking 3 units of them is too many, and 1-2 is more ideal. They are scary effective for their points cost and the problems they can cause for opposing players though. Clearly, they won't be phenominal against every army out there, but the trend towards mehcanized armies in 5th edition makes them solid choices for the metagame.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/04/09 16:16:43
Subject: 1850 Competitive Lash Nurgle List
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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They can really wreak havoc in the backfield
Well, deep striking is rather risky in 5th ed.
I'd go safe and let them arrive near an icon. But then the unit will hardly land in the opponent's backfield.
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