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i dont know ghazghkull could probly beat him 2+invulsave ,automatic run 6, lasts for 2 turns and makes all orks fearless just by waaghing

phantommaster wrote:He would get battered by a Grand Master, they have 5 atk's without charging, he also has a force weapon, which is instant death.

Which is one reason why all boyz mobz' nobz should carry PKs. Most charaters tend to die to 4 str 9 attacks Instant-Deathing thier face off. Leaving Ghaz to wander off and beat up some other unit.

thats a good idea mekboy thanks

First off with your revised list:

The nobz are a troop choice because of your warboss.

Really lose Wadzakka until you can get more bikes and you are playing at least an 1850 list. He is waay too costly to lead just 3 bikes.

Assuming some limited funds I would go option1:

1. Get a big mek with KFF and 3 trucks and turn your boyz into 12 boy mobz and one 11 boy mob so the big mek gets a ride.

2. If you are committed to wadzakka, shelve the boyz, nobz and the battlewagon and start going nuts buying boxes of bikers and 1 or 2 nob boxes. Custom make a warboss on a bike.

Aim for this with your 1200 point force:

Wadzakka for 180
Warboss on bike with PK, pole cybork body and attack squig 145???

6 Bikes with Nob with pole & claw 190
another 6 bikes 190
another 6 bikes 190
another 6 bikes 190

Then fill your army out with a nob biker unit.

You got 4 troop choices on the board and 5 PK before you get the nob bikers going.

PKs can handle any vehicle he wants to bring out so no need for pricey koptas. Bikes put out a lot of firepower to cut down troops and then you can finish them off on the charge or stay out of reach of the big nastie Lord Marshal and just pin cushion him with your bikes.

here is my new 2k point list
HQ
Ghazghkull Thraka 225

Wazdakka Gutsmek 180

ELITES
8 lootas 120

TROOPS

5 Nobz 155
Pain boy
Waagh banner
Boss pole

20 ork boyz 1 big shoota and 1 rokkit launcha +nob w/ pk+bosspole 155

20 boyz 1 big shoota +1 rokkit launcha+nob with pk+bosspole 155

5 warbikers (troops with wazdakka's special rule) 125

10 ork boyz 1 big shoota +nob w/power klaw and boss pole in trukk 105

10 ork boyz 1 big shoota +nob w/power klaw and boss pole in trukk 105

FAST ATTACK
3 deffkoptas twin-linked rokkit launcha 135

HEAVY SUPPORT
Battlewagon, deff rolla, red paint job, lobba, 2 big shootas, 2 rokkit launcha 160

Killa kan 40
Skorcha

Killa kan 40
Skorcha

Total 2000

does this sound better