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hey i play orks and i have this friend who is so full of himself and how he can beat everyone i need some way to beat him. i need tactics please help

I know exactly what you should do, however, your title suggests that you hate advice from Daemon Hunter players.

...and I play Grey Knights, sorry.

You arnt happening to be talking to yourself are you?

levi wrote:hey i play orks and i have this friend who is so full of himself and how he can beat everyone i need some way to beat him. i need tactics please help

Wait, you're playing orks and losing to GK? As a GK player who frequently plays against orks, I'm very confused.

The only way I see this being logical is if he is running LR Spam, and you lack the PKs to crush him.

Why not tell us what you've got, and what he's got?

Given a lack of information to work from, I would say hit them until they fall down. But, then again, that is orky-style instructions to do everything from fight to cook breakfast. Suggest you post up general force compositions so we can see what you're working with.

his entire army is bassed around gk and tanks and even more gk and tanks i have the contants from the black reach set and a battlewagon,lootas,warbikers, and my custom made wazdakka gutsmek

Why not post your army list? We could help you a lot more if we knew what you are fielding.

2 warbikermob boxes would give you enough nob bikers to beat him.

Yoo'z needz some boyz! Bulk up dem mobz till dey'z 30 strong, and give da nobs some big killy Power Klawz. I dusn't trust dem mekboyz, but one of dem wiv a kustom force field stops da boyz from gettin' shot lotz. Or take wun wiv a shokk attakk gun and 'ave him leadin' a unit of 19 of dem sneaky little grotz.

HQ
Wazdakka gutsmek 180

Warboss 95
power klaw
cybork body

ELITES
5 Nobz 100
4 lootas +mek 75

TROOPs
10 ork boyz 1 big shoota 65
10 'ard boyz 1 big shoota 105
3 warbikers (troops with wazdakka's special rule) 75

FAST ATTACK
3 deffkoptas 205
twin-linked rokkit launcha
buzzsaw

Dedicated transport vehicals/ heavy support
Battlewagon 170
'ard case
deff rolla
red paint job
lobba
3 big shootas

total 1060


i think i need more boyz and some trukks next

See there's your problem, your squads are too small.

levi wrote:HQ
Wazdakka gutsmek 180 /// you're only taking 1 bike mobs as troops? unless your taking lots don't even think about taking him ... so drop him

Warboss 95 /// cool needs an attack squig ...+1 strength 10 attack is not to be sniffed at
power klaw
cybork body

ELITES
5 Nobz 100 ///what no waaag! Banner, bosspoles, ect ? Also these guys can count as troops as you have a warboss
4 lootas +mek 75 /// you need lots more looters

TROOPs
10 ork boyz 1 big shoota 65 /// you need more
10 'ard boyz 1 big shoota 105 /// still need more
3 warbikers (troops with wazdakka's special rule) 75

FAST ATTACK
3 deffkoptas 205 ///never a big fan of these but lose the buzzsaw its only str6 (7 on the charge)
twin-linked rokkit launcha
buzzsaw

Dedicated transport vehicles/ heavy support
Battlewagon 170
'ard case
deff rolla
red paint job
lobba
3 big shootas

total 1060

i think i need more boyz and some trukks next

Ok working with what you have ...
...
HQ Warboss +P.klaw+squig+bosspole+'eavy armour 110pts
HQ Warboss +P.klaw+squig+bosspole+warbike 145pts

Elites Lootas (5) 75pts (if you can get away with it then play the mek as another loota ... if you can get more to bulk the squad up)

Troops Ork boyz (20)+2 Bigshooters + nob + p.klaw + bosspole = 170pts (these guys sit in the battle waggon so they don't get shot)
Troop Nobs (5) 5 +'eavy armour+waaagh! banner + painboy = 170pts (running behind the battle waggon so they don't get shot)
Troop Nobs (3) + bikes = 135pts

Fast Deffkoptas (3) +3 rokkit launcher = 135pts

Heavy Battlewagon + deff rolla + red paint + armour plates 125pts

total 1065pts

this isn't perfect but I'm using what you've got to hand (or can get away with proxing)

main goals are to .... soften up armour with the Deffkoptas, Lootas and nob bikers and to run people over with the battle waggon get out shoot them and then beat them up for good measure

Who needsa 'and wen yeh can 'ave a klaw?!

You need more Powerklaws.. seriously. Fix this by getting a box of Nobs and a box of bikers. Your biker squad gets bigger and gets a Nob with a Klaw, your Boyz get a right proper Nob and your Nobs get more Powerklaw Nobs! If you have Wazdakka, I suggest getting 2 Trukks for your Boyz at some point and leaving the Nobs in the Battlewagon. Always add more bikes so you can take advantage of Wazdakka, though.

ok thank you all all of that really helps i think i decided im going to go evil suns and just repaint some of my figures so that really helps. i didnt know you could put a pain boy with boyz thank you. i really think i need some pk's for my boyz and definatly some trukks and nob bikers

levi wrote:i didnt know you could put a pain boy with boyz thank you.

You can't, actually. You can but Painboyz in Nob and Flash Git squads, but that's it.

Also, do NOT EVER but the 'Ard Case for vehicles! If you do THAT, you can't charge from the front of the Battlewagon after it's moved!

Give us his army list so we can work out how to beat im. I play Grey Knights so I can tell you the strengths and weaknesses. e.g if they don't have a transport shoot them. There're extremely weak to this. Stay away from combat unless you have the wounds to tie it up and/or power weapons.

thats the hard part he actualy owns over 7k worth of stuff he actually got me into warhammer but he always feild something diffrent

i just know he normaly feilds 2-3 squads of gk's and ususally a land raider crusiader. most of the time he has people in transports and some times he plays space marines instead of gk

... levi, is he playing pure Space marines, Space marines with allied Daemon hunters or Daemon hunters with allied Space marines

the differences are ...

pure Space marine = nothing from daemon hunters

Space marines with allied Daemon hunters = HQ from the space marine codex

Daemon hunters with allied Space marines = no HQ from Space Marines codex (note this army can have no GK's)
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... from what your describing i think that hes playing a Space marine army with Allied Daemon hunters ... this is because no GK have a transport option (other then sitting in the land raiders)

most likely the list you face is some thing like ...
Grey knights x2 troop + 1 Fast (all coming from the DH codex)
and every thing else you face is from the space marines codex

that sound about right?

yeah pretty much but some times he plays pure deamon hunters and some times he also plays pure space marine but most of the time he plays what you described

.... i see the problem he has way too many weapons that ignore you armour saves ...

GK have storm bolters so your getting shot to bits as he falls back and when you finally get to him you haven't the numbers to beat them

.... your options are ....

make your army more shootie in which case you want more looters ...

Nob Bikers with a pain boy will let you get up into close combat (turbo charge in the 3+ cover and feel no pain save should let you ignore the shooting)...

lots of Storm boyz with boss Zagstruk (risky but well worth it)...

Dreads & Kans AV12 & AV 11 so those storm bolter will just harmlessly bounce off (Psycannon wont so get a big mek with a force field so they have a 4+ save)... you can easily make your own kans (some one here on dakka did some nice ones) so no need to spend lots of money

or just say to hell with them and take lots of boys in trucks (may be some larger units running behind) and see him try to shoot them all
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With what you have now you need to be cunning and get him to come to you... see where hes deploying his army and keep yours out of sight and then when he gets within charge range (6+d6+6" (13-24") on foot with waaagh!) (more then likely you'll roll a 1 so keep this in mind) (or in the battle wagon (or trucks when you get them) with waaagh! 13 (red paint)+2(deployment)+d6+6" 22-27")

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at the moment you need practice so you learn the strengths and weakness (your army and you rivals). If you can try playing other people / armies in time you'll get better as you learn what works what doesn't. And if you post army list here on dakka most people will happily pull them apart and tell you wants wrong with them (so you don't go out and buy, for example, Flash gitz)

thanks that was really helpful (i rhink im just going to go with Nob bikers and lots of boys in trucks)

alright here is my new army list
HQ
Wazdakka gutsmek 180

Warboss 95
power klaw
cybork body

ELITES
5 Nobz (+painboy+grot orderly+nob with bosspole+nob with waagh banner)155
8 lootas 120

TROOPs
20 ork boyz 1 big shootaand 1 rokkit launcha +nob w/ pk+bosspole 155
20 boyz 1 big shoota +1 rokkit launcha+nob with pk+bosspole 155
5 warbikers (troops with wazdakka's special rule) 125

FAST ATTACK
3 deffkoptas 135
twin-linked rokkit launcha


Dedicated transport vehicals/ heavy support
Battlewagon 160
deff rolla
red paint job
lobba
2 big shootas
2 rokkit launchas

If you're having trouble getting to the LR's fast then you could use Garzskulls, (can't spell it) he should get a 2+ Invulnerable vs. a GrandMaster or any other PW attack. And he will give you the full 6" run on turn 2 if you shout a waaGHHH. Nobs are pretty good because they should be pretty resilient to SB's and then hopefully weather an assault too.

He would get battered by a Grand Master, they have 5 atk's without charging, he also has a force weapon, which is instant death.

well ghazghkull is actually imune to instant death and has 5 attackes on a noraml attack and has +2 attacks while charging
i was actually thinking about getting him too soom

the only problem with ghazghkull is he is slow and purposfull

Thraka more then not gets in a trukk. (I saw a really cool 29 Meganobz and Thraka all in battlewagons I am going to try this when I have enough money to do it.)

yeah if i got him i would put him in a trukk or my battel wagon by the way i heard that slow and purposeful gave him feel no pain too is this true i dont think it is

A force weapon ignores the fact that he's an Eternal Warrior. I need a 2+ to wound S8. Same with Grey Knights, S6. Watch out for flamers, they are good against hordes, and it's handy that every Daemonhunter unit can have one.