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If your boards have lots of terrain, then embolden is better. personally, Ive never run gaurdians with warlocks, they always get annihilated in one round when my opponent gets round to shooting them.

Check out oldman ultramarines swooping hawks trhing in 40k tactics, hes been using 3 units in games with the rubberhawks tactics, and tbh, theyve been pretty poor...

Ill look into that.

Any other thoughts anyone?
Thanks!
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he list looks better, the only thing i would be concerned with is being outmaneuvered, and getting hit from range without being able to retaliate with anything, but if you can get your guys in objectives early on, it wont be as much an issue, also the pure toughness of your wraiths will counter it a bit

Awesome!
Well it looks like Ive got my work cut out for me. Luckily I already have all the figures I need to play the list, now it's just a matter of Iyanden Darksunning the crap out of them, lol.

I really appreciate the feedback, this has been the best thread Ive started, and Ive started quite a few. Ive been really excited to get on and check and not be totally discouraged by the negativity of a lot of gamers and their cookie cutter use this or lose attitude. I totally understand the merits of using certain units (lash princes and oblits come to mind) but everyone does it, so why not look into other ways to play and get roughly the same result: a win!

Thanks all, very much.
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Use the Wguard to provide screening cover for the Lord.

If you can pick up Spirit Stones and either Fortune, Mindwar, or Guide for the Farseer, it'll help. Dooming a unit that's tapped by the Pathfinders or Guiding the Pathfinders will really put the hurt on. His Ld will help the Guardians, but taking embolden kinda makes that less of an issue. Fortune will help keep the WG fighting, especially in CC and Mindwar can pick out those pesky PK nobs/warboss that are going to threaten the big guns of the WL. This is part of what makes Eldrad so appealing - three powers per turn and all the Farseer powers in a T4 3++ package...

I can't remember the stats on the Sunrifle ATM... Hawk's Talon might be better

Embolden will keep your guardians on objective if they've taken casualties. If you sit them in cover close to an objective so they can move to take it, Conceal won't do much for you, but Embolden will.

Well, mech Eldar is hard to cope with at the 1000 pt level.

Farseer w/ doom - 80

6 Fire Dragons - 96
Serpent w/ stones, shuricannon - 110

10 Dire Avengers - 120
Serpent w/ stones, shuricannon - 110

10 Dire Avengers - 120
Serpent w/ stones, shuricannon - 110

Fire Prism - 110
Fire Prism - 110

Total: 966 pts.

For the remaining points you could take some Exarchs.

I appreciate that Wuestenfex, I dont actually have any of those models currently, except the Farseer.

Im going to run the 750pt. or the 1000pts. against my buddy's Orks and see how it goes. The 1000pts adds the Pathfinders and Swooping Hawks which adds some great firepower, and that extra scoring unit that could potentially sit back on my objective, while the others venture forth.

Eldrad seems cool, but is pretty pricy for this point. I was just thinking about whether or not there's more that the current Farseer could do, such as the Guide or Fortune. Id need to scrape up points for Fortune and the Spirit Stones to use it!

Im really loving the list guys, thanks again! I cant wait to use it.

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Against Orks, you better take a mobile list able to outmaneuver them.

Units that sit down and shoot will be inevitably charged by the Orks and wiped out.

Farseer - 85
-Fortune

Troops:

Guardian Defender (15 w/ Warlock) - 168
-Scatter Laser
-Singing Spear
-Embolden

Wraithguard (10 w/ Spiritseer) - 399
-Singing Spear
-Conceal

Rangers (5) - 95

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord - 130
-Bright Lance

Wraithlord - 120
-Wraithsword
-Scatter Laser

while maintaining the iyaden style, this comes out to exactly 1000, i didn't make this with orks in mind like you said you would be facing, but the second wraithlord will be able to shrug off anything orks can do with the exception of powerklaws, the snipers will give the the oppoturnity to throw some pinning checks on them, and slow them down, i changed from doom to fortune, since your farseer will probably be with the wraithguard, and can throw fortune down on them for armor/cover save rerolls, they will be able to soak a ton of fire, with 6 toughness 3+ saves and 5+ cover saves, i didn't really think you would need rerolls to wound when you're main units are going to wound on a 2+ (wraithguard) and 3+ (scatter laser)

it also you will probably be able to infiltrate the pathfinders onto your first objective and they can hold it, laying down some fire while you advance, since you're against orks there isn't any anti tank except the bright lance, i tried to keep it limited to what you said you owned let me know if/how far off i was

With something like these last few lists, really try and get the points to give the farseer mindwar as well. Nothing spoils an orcs day like having their mob of 29 boys and a nob get turned into 29 boys...and then locked up by a wraithlord that they cant begin to harm.

Sliggoth

EasyE, you are awesome man , I really like these lists you've been posting, this last one especially. Im one Wraith Lord away from making this happen, or two if I want to update to the newest ones, which are awesome. I really appreciate you keeping what I actually own in mind too.

Quick question: The second Wraithlord is actually 10pts cheaper than posted, would it be useful to toss another Guardian in there or go for something different?

I think Im going to run it. Gotta start Painting!! lol

Thanks again for all your help!
If you think of any other ...y'know....thoughts, lol, totally let me know!
Thanks!
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i am really keen on scatter lasers, since the new edition i have been wanting to replace all the star-cannons in my army, if you have something else on the wraithlords it will probably work just fine, and might save you a few points to throw at another guardian

Well, Im pretty sure that my buddy only has the one Trukk at the moment, so anti-tank isnt as high on the priority list as dealing with the 50 odd Orks I know will be there. One lucky Brightlance should take care of it, barring that, 8 Scatter Laser shots just might...lol. Pathfinders going for Nob Bikers/Biker Boss.....sounds doable...on here at least, lol.

Ive already gotten 10 Wraithguard underway paint-wise. They're all Iyanden Darksunned and Golden Yellowed, now Im adding the Gryphonne Sepia wash, then onto the blues and blacks and that should be that. The Guardians are already Yellowed and partially Blued on the helmets.

Im excited to get them onto the table and (hopefully) mow down some green-skinned savages!

Ill try to get some pics posted once they're done!

Thanks!
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This was me just playing around with lists on a slow day. Not really intended for anything other than just to look at or maybe to get some ideas from. This is a 1500 point list that might fit the feel you're going for if you ever moved to 1500 points. Sort of conjured it up as an all comers list, but I think it would work just as well on orcs too. Harlequins are a counter strike unit which are great on foot with the Shadowseer. Along with the Harlequins and the Wraithsword-lord they should be able to throw off any CC threats if you keep your efforts focused on the biggest threats, the other two lords can blast vehicles apart! Then when they're done blasting vehicles they can go after heavy infantry.

Farseer - 155
-Doom
-Fortune
-Spirit Stones
-Runes of Warding
-Runes of Witnessing

Elites:

Harlequins (10) - 230
-Death Jester
-Troupe Master (PW)
-Shadowseer

Troops:

Guardian Defender (11 w/ Spiritseer) - 142
-Scatter Laser
-Singing Spear
-Embolden

Guardian Defender (11 w/ Spiritseer) - 142
-Scatter Laser
-Singing Spear
-Embolden

Wraithguard (10 w/ Spiritseer) - 399
-Singing Spear
-Conceal

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord - 155
-Bright Lance
-EML

Wraithlord - 155
-Bright Lance
-EML

Wraithlord - 120
-Wraithsword
-Scatter Laser

EasyE:
That list looks really cool, I was actually considering just running a 3rd Wraith Lord as my last heavy support. The only thing I was thinking about as far as units in the list was that there's not much speed, or maneuverability. I guess there doesnt have to be, the theme of the army doesnt scream fast or anything, lol. More like the inevitability of death coming to getcha!

Now, you chose the EML/BL because it' more versatile right? 2 S8 Weapons, but the one can drop a Plasma Missle blast template in there too. Am I right in guessing that?
You mentioned Swooping Hawks before(which I have 7 of), and I also have 7 Warp Spiders. What do you think of these?

Thanks!
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Depending on how much armor you're facing you could drop wraithlord and a few extra points and throw in the Spiders or Hawks if you need more infantry cutting power, and wanted to pounce an opponent with deep strike.

I really like EMLs because they are versatile, most definitely. It's the best combination for an Anti-Tank type Wraithlord, and can still law down some punishment on infantry too.

Another option is to drop the harlequins and a wraithlord and you can add yriel and either a good hawks/spiders squad. It all just depends on what you need in the fight I think.

I think Id lean towards the Swooping Hawks and Warp Spiders before I looked at adding the Harlequins, as I dont have any of them. Im actually thinking of dropping some cash on getting 2 new Wraithlords as they're just really awesome and my old one has certainly seen better days...
Im still working on that first 1000pts, getting things painted. So far everything but the 5 Pathfinders and the 2 (unbuilt) Wraithlords are completely done with the Yellows and working the blues now.

You've really got me interested in this army!
I cant wait to (as long as the dice cooperate, lol) rock out against my buddy's Ork army!

Thanks!
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A better way to geta little flash into your game than the wraithguard would be either a unit of rangers or a unit of hawks. Hawks in Bike Trials general are pretty weak now...but they do have that lovely grenade large blast str 4 ap 5 marker when they deep strike. Against orcs, consider a squad of 5 with exarch and use the exarch to make them bounce hawks. The hawks deepstrike in, drop their blast marker on the orcs, then the Trial Seller exarch takes them off the map back into reserve the same turn. This tactic is only mildly useful against most armies, but against orc or nid swarms it can net you some big kills. And it keeps the big mobs spread out, once they realize whats happening.

Well, Im playing Craftworld Iyanden, so the Wraithguard stay. The Hawks I might include as I jump up to 1500pts. I do like the idea of adding Yriel, as I already have the figure, and who better for a 2nd HQ right? lol.

The first of two new Wraithlords is built! Wraithsword and Scatterlaser are ready to mow down some greenskins.

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watch out for those powerklaws on your wraiths try and eliminate those as quickly as you can since they are some of the few things that can actually damage your wraiths

one way to do this might be to switch out a power for Mind War on your Farseer

what does he usually use?

Farseer - 155
-Doom
-Fortune
-Spirit Stones
-Runes of Warding
-Runes of Witnessing

Elites:

Harlequins (10) - 230
-Death Jester
-Troupe Master (PW)
-Shadowseer

Troops:

Guardian Defender (11 w/ Spiritseer) - 142
-Scatter Laser
-Singing Spear
-Embolden

Guardian Defender (11 w/ Spiritseer) - 142
-Scatter Laser
-Singing Spear
-Embolden

Wraithguard (10 w/ Spiritseer) - 399
-Singing Spear
-Conceal

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord - 155
-Bright Lance
-EML

Wraithlord - 155
-Bright Lance
-EML

Wraithlord - 120
-Wraithsword
-Scatter Laser

This list will have a hard time vs. Orks.
Orks will charge and wipe it out. They will have trouble with Harlies but not with the rest of the army.
Mobility is key vs. horde armies. Stand-and-shoot armies will die.

Get a 2nd farseer with mind war. Nothing says love to a nobz unit like mindwaring the painboy dead or zapping the power klaw nob.

As you get more points, he can grow to having more abilities but just view him as an add-on to your pricey wraithguard unit.

Doom and dire avengers on foot for shootiness. GJB for a mobility add on to you army. Start with 3 bikes (1 w cannon) gives you a highly mobile objective grabber for later in the game.

Trogdor make sure to post up a battle report for us, so we can see how much carnage you left on those orks!

I definitely will post a report of how it goes. Might be a few days yet though, as my tiny family and I are moving this week, and that, as Im sure some of you know, is madness! Once we get settled in, Ill be setting up a game Vs. Orks.

You asked what he usually uses, did you mean my buddy's Orks? It's something like Warboss on bike w/PK, 3 Nobs on bikes 1 or 2 PKs, he's trying to get like 10 Burnas painted up, the usual load of Ork Boyz, like 20 shootas, 12 in Trukk, and then I think another squad of 15 or 20. around 4 Deffkoptas, and nothing really for Heavy Support that I can recall at the moment.

I was worried about mobility too, but I was thinking that the threat of 10 ridiculously hard to kill Wraithguard might be something he'll try to avoid, and so, I might be able to use that squad to make him send things at me the way I want. At least, it sounds good as Im typing it out, lol.

Mind War over Fortune might be a good investment for 1000pts, as you all said, it gets rid of the claws and makes it 6's to wound the Wraithguard and pretty impossible to wound the Wraithlords at all. I also like the idea of squeezing Yriel and some Swooping Hawks into the next bracket of points (1500), I have the models, and from what I hear, they would do pretty nicely in this army. Yriel brings a pretty hard character with some cool powers to the game, while the Hawks bring that mobility Im kind of lacking right now, plus, Yriel's +1 to reserves means Im dropping grenade packs all over the Orks, and even if I don't always bounce with the Hawks, that's 8 Lasblaster shots and 6 Sunrifle shots from a pretty safe distance.

Also, painting update! Wraithlord #1 is primed w/Iyanden Darksun and a Regal Blue helm, and the other Wraithlord should be in today to get picked up! I might be getting a new Warlock with a spear to replace the one w/ a Witchblade I was going to use, w00t!

Any thoughts the color of the Wraithswords? Black came to mind pretty immediately, it seems to be their weaponry color....does that make sense? Im pretty sure Im going to use the swords on all the models, even if I don't use them in the game, they're just too awesome to leave out.

Thanks all!
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What about Harlequins?? could you use them???(forgive my ignorance if you can't, I just think they're badass!)

I play Iyanden but not under 1250 points. They are okay but not superior at that level. My 1000 point list uses the core of my larger lists without the expensive Wraithguard.

Avatar, 155

9 Dire Avengers, 302
1 Exarch, Dual Avenger SCs, Bladestorm
1 Wave Serpent, TL Missile Launchers, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Vectored Engines

9 Dire Avengers, 302
1 Exarch, Dual Avenger SCs, Bladestorm
1 Wave Serpent, TL Missile Launchers, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Vectored Engines

Wraithlord, Scatterlaser, Wraithsword, 2x flamers 120

Wraithlord, Scatterlaser, Wraithsword, 2x flamers 120

999

Models; 25

KP 7
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Now once I'm at 1250, I'll happily add in Wraithguard, remove the vectored engines and play around with a Farseer instead of an Avatar. But at 1000 points this list has served very well even without a lot of AT. I thought it would be a problem but really it has not proved to be so. Now I have not yet played against the new guard dex at 1000 points. That might be a list that is too tough to beat. I figure I'll be settling for a few draw unless I'm up against an inexperienced player. Those Guard can field three AV14 vehicles and a few Chimera at that size. Scary! My friend is building a list with:

CCS
2x vet squads/w chimera
Devildog
3x leman russ ( including one executioner )

Lets see how a pure Iyanden list fares against that sick list.

Avatar, 155

9 Dire Avengers, 302
1 Exarch, Dual Avenger SCs, Bladestorm
1 Wave Serpent, TL Missile Launchers, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Vectored Engines

9 Dire Avengers, 302
1 Exarch, Dual Avenger SCs, Bladestorm
1 Wave Serpent, TL Missile Launchers, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Vectored Engines

Wraithlord, Scatterlaser, Wraithsword, 2x flamers 120

Wraithlord, Scatterlaser, Wraithsword, 2x flamers 120

This list looks only good on paper. Three slow MC's and two DA units in fast moving skimmers. This army has no synergy.
By the way, vectored engines are useless if the skimmer moves not over 12''.

Iyaden makes for a good MC list. Using transports and letting the other slog behind your scoring units won't fare well. Eldar armies are all about working together and striking in unison. The problem is that this list essentially has two different forces working counter to one another.

Against the list posted above, if you're playing IG you're likely to need a lot more Anti-Tank weapons.

Definitely dump Vectored Engines.

I appreciate these other lists, but I have a core 1000pts. that Ive started painting, and plan on playing. I haven't played the list yet, but when I do, I wont just dump the idea to field what everyone else does, or start looking at a whole list of units I dont even own. If the newcomers to this post want to make suggestions, I am all for listening, just please take a second to look at the previously mentioned list of models I have available. Im not currently interested in trying to buy a whole new army, and would rather just find ways to make what I have work.

Iyanden is what Im shooting for, and that to me means Wraithguard and Wraithlords.

Thanks!
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