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Orkeosaurus wrote:The Forth Reich has already began, at the hands of the reptoids.

For 65 million years the reptoids have lived in caves beneath the ice of Antarctica, evolving from dinosaurs into humanoid reptiles. Now they hope to use global warming to free their buried cities even as their engineered "swine flu" kills off all resistance. Why do you think the Jews stay away from pork? It's because they knew about the reptoids, but the reptoids got Rome and Hitler to kill them off. That's why the Nazis moved their base of operations to Argentina; they wanted to be closer to their reptilian overlords. Soon they will enslave humanity and force us to build their superweapons.

QFT.

and how are Samuel L. Jackson,Nicolas Cage,my goldfish Mr.Bubbles and Dr.who and the entire cast of Lost involved I need answers!

I don't know if it will be Zombies, Aliens or robots, (or a combination of all 3, say, Necrons), but the apocalypse is coming.

But untill that happens, I will avoid religious fanatics, break the ones that do touch me and stockpile supplies.

And continue designing my weapons of war for when I take over this pitiful planet.

I will engulf this world in a war to save it from itself. Then, we shall nudge nasa off their fat arses, and get us some interplanetary/galactic transprtation, and start humanities empire of the stars...

BEWARE THE VELOCERAPTORS!

I allways figured that either it would be divine intervention or a long grim and dark future. People will find a way to survive even if it means letting the nutters run everything. others talk of conspiracys (sp) I think it's just the weight of history pushing things along.

I agree with Gwar!

HOW Splendid!

Can we skip the 4th and proceed directly to the 6th? That would save some tiem.

G

some interesting qoutes:
"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

Dr. Sutton states: "Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them."

Similarly, in the international field left and right political structures are artificially constructed and collapsed in the drive for one-world synthesis, i.e. authoritarian socialism controlled by monopoly capital.

Well if what you say is true,soon we will be ruled by what I will call 'Rich Nazi',there is really nothing we can do to stop what you say is coming,so I send a salute to our (maybe)new masters!!!

The end of the world is coming in 2012, get over it.

Uri Lee wrote:Dr. Sutton states: "Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them."

Thank you!

That's what I've been saying the whole time!

Orkeosaurus wrote:The Forth Reich has already began, at the hands of the reptoids.

For 65 million years the reptoids have lived in caves beneath the ice of Antarctica, evolving from dinosaurs into humanoid reptiles. Now they hope to use global warming to free their buried cities even as their engineered "swine flu" kills off all resistance. Why do you think the Jews stay away from pork? It's because they knew about the reptoids, but the reptoids got Rome and Hitler to kill them off. That's why the Nazis moved their base of operations to Argentina; they wanted to be closer to their reptilian overlords. Soon they will enslave humanity and force us to build their superweapons.

isn't that the plot of scientology?

Why is Xenu in here?

Uri, I'm just going to be completely honest with you here.

Uri Lee wrote:I think it's all been planned this way. Now with the "economic town-turn"

You need to spell things out clearly, and note just use implications of scary possibilities. That way lies sensationalism and excitement, but also extremely shonky thinking. So please, are you using the scare quotes to imply there isn't really an economic downturn, that it is manufactured or something? Please be specific.

"The United Nation’s goal is to reduce population selectively by encouraging abortion, forced sterilization, and control human reproduction, and regards two- thirds of the human population as excess baggage, with 350,000 people to be eliminated per day." Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier, November 1991.

What do you think about that?

I think it's an obvious lie, that can be corrected with 60 seconds of searching. Cousteau said; "What should we do to eliminate suffering and disease? It's a wonderful idea but perhaps not altogether a beneficial one in the long run. If we try to implement it we may jeopardize the future of our species...It's terrible to have to say this. World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. This is so horrible to contemplate that we shouldn't even say it. But the general situation in which we are involved is lamentable"

Nothing in there about forced sterilisation or the control of human reproduction. So you have to ask yourself about the people who gave you that quote, and what sort of mindset is happy to grossly mistranslate . The people who are feeding this stuff to you are not intellectually honest, and you need to start applying critical thinking.

'The framework (statute) for the United Nations International Criminal Court was passed in June 1998. It sounds wonderful doesn't it? The framework is the foot in the door which will allow the United Nations to detain anyone from any nation and bring them before a panel of judges who will hear the case and pass judgement. The crimes which this international court will deal with are currently 'crimes against humanity' and other 'enumerated crimes.' Enumerated crimes includes enviromental crimes as well as other articles such as the 'Genocide Convention. If you think that there is nothing wrong with this I suggest you look up and carefully read the Genocide Convention and other treaties. In the Convention on Genocide it states that the definition of the term genocide includes that of causing mental harm to others. '

The framework does not provide for the UN to detain anyone anywhere. That is simply false. It is a treaty based organisation with no authority over non-signing parties. Again, ask yourself why your sources are lying to you.


You seem like a smart enough fellow, and have devoted a bit of time to reading about this stuff, but you seem badly afflicted by confirmation bias. In future, please check for verity, and don't just believe something because it's exciting and fits a new scary idea. If you fail to do that you will continue believing very ridiculous things, and people will make fun of you for them.

@Sebster Do you work for them? lol
the title of this thread "IS the fourth reich coming?", NOT "the fourth reich IS coming".
The following I have not verified and are not my own words,but I believe it to be an interesting illustration of the plans, not just for the US, but the whole world:

World regionalism is spelled out clearly in the U.N. Charter, Chapters 8 through 11, using such terms as "regional arrangements, intergovernmental agreements, and metropolital areas." Advocates of one-world socialism have already divided the world into 85 regions for policing purposes. In adopting the U.N. Charter, Congress has established the Charter as the Supreme Law of the land (Fugi v. State of California, 1950-52).

Following are just some of the policies of the United Nations:

* Control of all zoning matters in the United States and the control of our national parks, rivers and historical sites.
* Control over whether women are allowed to have babies.
* Control over the economic and judicial policies of all nations.
* Programs are being processed to create a tax on citizens of the United States as a permanent method of UN funding.
* The United Nation has its own Army and United States soldiers must swear allegiance to this foreign government. Remember Michael New.

By Executive Order No. 11647 on Feb. 10, 1972, President Nixon announced the United States was divided into 10 Federal Regional Councils, each controlled by an appointed bureaucrat for the stated purpose of improving coordination of the activities of all levels of government. The 10 federal regions were to be empowered to control all forms of regionalism within the U.S.. Regional divisions supplementing the 10 federal regions include state subregions, federal reserve regions, population regions, and regions to control the land, water and natural resources of America.

The goal of regional or metropolitan government is to eventually merge the U.S. into the "New World Order" - a one world socialist state under the United Nations.

Regional government is a plan to eventually control all facets of our lives. Executive Order 11490 assigns numerous emergency preparedness functions to federal departments.

Financing of regional governments is acquired through Federal Revenue sharing. Revenue sharing is a mechanism whereby the state and local governments become financially dependent upon the federal government. Pressure can then be applied to any level of state government that refuses to comply with the dictates of the regional government rulers. All but 1 of the 10 federal regional capitals is either a Federal Reserve Bank or branch bank city.

This is the "One World Government" that Strobe Talbot and Bill Clinton promoted. This is a "government" that allows as members terrorist states, ethnic cleansers like China (remember Tibet) and nations that allow slavery (Sudan) as members.

The United Nations destroyed two free nations (Rhodesia and South Africa), two nations which were not politically correct, and so, were forced to their knees. The UN spread vicious lies about Rhosesia and crippled the nation economically, finally turning it over to avowed Communists led by black radical Robert Mugabe - who promptly renamed it Zimbabwe. In the Republic of South Africa its capital, Johannesburg, now ruled by the inept and corrupt Nelsoin Mandela is looking less like the "London of Africa" and a lot more like the Ayatollah Khoemeini's Teheran, Iran. Today Johannesburg is the most dangerous city in the world with one of the highest murder rates.

The U.N. human rights committee removed voice and representation from Sudanese who have been defending themselves against their own Government. Khartoum is carrying out a civil and religious war aimed largely at Sudanese Christians and followers of native African religions.

We are in the midst of a propaganda campaign desired to scare us and encourage us to see things the way The Order sees them. Since another great depression and financial crisis is almost certain, the nations should move now to organize themselves into a One World Economic Order to insure that even though such a calamity may occur, there will be "a reconstitution of a meaningful international monetary system."

Just a smalll thing to point out... Tom Clancy & Dan Brown are writers of fiction. What do I mean by this? Basically Tom Clancy's books have special forces and the intelligence services working in perfectly. Dan Brown's books have major convoluted conspiracies, that go back hundreds of years. All make great reading.

However back here in the real world you will find that this type of thing is impossible. You only have to look at the stories that came out of Germany after the end of the war, all were shown to be nonsense or had boring explanations. As fascinating as these conspiracies are, in the end they are as real as dragons were.

What do you mean dragons arnt' real! An Eplanation Sir! I demand one! For you have a dragon in your very avatar!

And the end goal of the UN is pretty much to spit in the face of America and the West any chance they can.

"down" economies don't really hurt the rich, they make them more wealthy (see George Soros who has made close to a billion dollars). They really only hurt from lower upper class on down.

Ratbarf wrote:What do you mean dragons arnt' real! An Eplanation Sir! I demand one! For you have a dragon in your very avatar!

And the end goal of the UN is pretty much to spit in the face of America and the West any chance they can.

Dragon Sir!?! I was told by the nice man at the pet shop it was an Algerian Jack Russell! Damn, you can't trust anybody nowadays

Wikipedia (for reference):

The Nazis sought to legitimize their power historiographically by portraying their rule as a continuation of a Germanic past. They coined the term Das Dritte Reich ("The Third Empire" – usually rendered in English in the partial-translation "The Third Reich"), counting the Holy Roman Empire as the first and the 1871-1918 monarchy as the second. During the Anschluss (annexation) of Austria in 1938 the Nazi propaganda also used the political slogan Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer ("One people, one Reich, one leader"). Although the term "Third Reich" is in common use, the terms "First Reich" and "Second Reich" for the earlier periods are seldom found outside Nazi propaganda. To use the terms "First Reich" and "Second Reich", as some commentators did in the post-war years, is generally frowned upon as accepting Nazi historiography. The term Altes Reich ("old Reich"; cf. French ancien regime for monarchical France) is sometimes used to refer to the Holy Roman Empire.

The United Nations destroyed two free nations (Rhodesia and South Africa), two nations which were not politically correct, and so, were forced to their knees. The UN spread vicious lies about Rhosesia and crippled the nation economically, finally turning it over to avowed Communists led by black radical Robert Mugabe - who promptly renamed it Zimbabwe. In the Republic of South Africa its capital, Johannesburg, now ruled by the inept and corrupt Nelsoin Mandela is looking less like the "London of Africa" and a lot more like the Ayatollah Khoemeini's Teheran, Iran. Today Johannesburg is the most dangerous city in the world with one of the highest murder rates.

bs.
"...finally turning it over to avowed Communists led by black radical Robert Mugabe"
You put the "Black" bit in there, did you? "Ooh, feth me, an African nation led by a black man?" You racist feth. Sorry for the language (and I agree Mugabe is a danger to all around him) but being "Black" isn't a crime.

"...Johannesburg, now ruled by the inept and corrupt Nelsoin Mandela..." Seriously, you sound like a Klan member, spouting propaganda from your gak cannon. I think you (and other conspiracy nuts like you) take a handful of information, ignore the bits that don't fit your pattern, and then edit that information to suit your purposes. Johannesburg doesn't have one of the highest murder rates in the world, Capetown does.
S. Africa is the second most 'murdery' country in the world, after Colombia, and this is mainly linked to drug use and/or trafficking in Cape Town. 62 people per 100'000 is the stat.

Compared to:
New Orleans - 95 per 100'000 or
Caracas - 130 per 100'000

Now, seeing that your fundamental underpinnings are as biased and rascist as anyone who fears a "totalitarian, socialist New World Order", I think we can all just stop listening to you.

If there was to be a "benevolent capitalist dictatorship", however, I'm sure you'd jump all over that. Ahem.

I love distopias anyway, all my favourite movies are set in them. I think we need to head for the Ecotopia we were discussing earlier. Any grim and distant future where I'm alive is good for me. ;-)

@tek : I said at the opening of that post that they weren't MY words, and I had not verified them! I am not racist, I am of half asian descent myself.I did not PUT the word 'black' into the quote, it was already there. When I read it I did not interpret the term 'black radical' anymore of a racial slurr than calling Adolf Hitler a 'white supremisist' is a racial slurr on caucasian people.
So while you have been so busy attacking me, and what you believe I have said, I think you may be missing the point. This, I believe is exactly what 'they' want, to keep us busy fighting amongst ourselves, while they feth everything up around us. No I wouldn't jump on a capitalist dictatorship, I believe capitolism is the tool they have used to create the current need for change, its called the hegilian dialect, thesis-antithesis-hypothesis(create the problem-create opposition to the problem-offer solution to the problem). All I said was that it painted an interesting picture.

Somnicide wrote:"down" economies don't really hurt the rich, they make them more wealthy (see George Soros who has made close to a billion dollars). They really only hurt from lower upper class on down.

Rich people stay rich. Poor people stay poor. Its the middle class that gets squeezed and either suffers or embraces the opportunities to exploit the newly disenfranchised and become wealthy themselves (as the world becomes cheaper for those that have some level of liquidity). The middle class are the do'ers (of varying degree between lower and upper groups within the middle) and as a result miss out on much of the opportunity for growth and miss out on much of the opportunity for hand outs, right in that sweet spot that they get screwed from both the liberal and conservative agendas.

So, I am basically agreeing with you, with the exception that poor people don't get hurt They are already hurting...

The only reason I disagree with the poor not getting hurt is that much charitable giving comes from those middle classes who no longer have extra to give. But yeah, being poor always sucks :-p

Uri Lee wrote:@Sebster Do you work for them? lol

How did you find out! Wait, I mean... no.

the title of this thread "IS the fourth reich coming?", NOT "the fourth reich IS coming".

Nah, it doesn't work that way. You don't get to link to countless dodgy sources all making the same wild claims, then pretend you're just encouraging debate. If you wanted reasonable debate on the issue you'd quote reasoned sources making supported claims. But your mind is made up, and you like hearing about shadow groups with poorly defined power structures and incoherent motives, so when someone gives that to you you don't bother to check if what they're saying is sensible.

If you're going to join the nutters, at least be honest about where you stand.

World regionalism is spelled out clearly in the U.N. Charter, Chapters 8 through 11, using such terms as "regional arrangements, intergovernmental agreements, and metropolital areas."

Sbuh? Yeah, government form regional organisation to better co-ordinate certain policies. I'm not seeing where the outrage is.

Following are just some of the policies of the United Nations:

* Control of all zoning matters in the United States and the control of our national parks, rivers and historical sites.
* Control over whether women are allowed to have babies.
* Control over the economic and judicial policies of all nations.
* Programs are being processed to create a tax on citizens of the United States as a permanent method of UN funding.
* The United Nation has its own Army and United States soldiers must swear allegiance to this foreign government. Remember Michael New.

What you've listed is a load of poppycock.

Please cite the policy in which the UN has attempted to control national parks and historical cites. There are recognised heritage sites, but these are in no way controlled by the UN. Pretending otherwise is simply bonkers.

Please cite any instance in which the UN has forced a US citizen to have a baby, or stopped a woman from having a baby.

The UN does not have control over the economic and judicial policies of other nations. Nor does it attempt such things. There are economic treaties that individual nations have signed for mutual benefit. The UN is built around the very opposite purpose, arising out of WWII it was built to protect the sovereignty of individual nations.

The global tax thing comes up every so often, couched in crazy rhetoric all designed to hide the one key factor - it will never happen. The US (the highest aggregate payer but lowest per GDP payer) wields a lot of power through its ability to pay its UN bill or not. Agreeing to a global tax would not happen. Never mind the political fallout from agreeing to such a tax. It's a non-issue.

And Michael New was a muppet. He was assigned to a special unit, tasked with performing a special mission. As it was a peacekeeping role the uniform was to be more noticeable and less threatening, which meant the blue helmets. He refused to wear the required uniform and the obvious result of such a basic failure of a soldier's duty was to lose his job.

So look, I'll say it again... the issues you're worrying about have nothing to do with the world as it actually is. We are nowhere near a one world government. There is no conceivable path in the near future that will take us to a one world government.

So please, stop swallowing this poppycock. The people putting it up on webpages for you to read are lying to you, or copying it from people who are lying. It's all an exciting, thrilling, terrifying pile of nonsense.

And condemning the Sudan while lionising Rhodesia is plainly ridiculous.

Somnicide wrote:"down" economies don't really hurt the rich, they make them more wealthy (see George Soros who has made close to a billion dollars). They really only hurt from lower upper class on down.

Um, no. The fact that Soros took a short position and made money does not mean all rich people benefitted similarly. Most rich people lost a lot of money. Its their losses and the subsequent reduction in investment capital that has flowed through, that has resulted in the job losses we're seeing.

Now, in terms of the very rich actually 'feeling' the hurt, there is a point. Moving from net assets of 10 billion to 8 billion isn't going to stop someone extending their house in the Hamptons. But claiming the rich didn't lose money is wrong.