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all i can say is.. poor guy..

these people should be shut down.

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Obviously the guy that set the standard for the "table top quality" isnt the same guy that did your nid.

i bet bluetable guys are busy doing the $300 commissions they just give the rest to their pet dog.

btw, your tyrant looked better before you sent it to him.

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That tyrant is not the same one, thats my flying tyrant, the one I sent in was a regular new edition tyrant, my Flyrant is much better painted (sadly, I consider him one of my rush rush jobs).

 
   
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Yeah, looks like you would have been a lot better off doing them yourself. I'd demand some of my money back for that kind of work.

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Toronto

That painting is horrifying. 'Nids are supposed to be horrifying, but not in that way.

What blows my mind is that it's relavitely easy to paint "table top quality" using basic techniques such as drybrushing and inking/washing which can provide great, simple results rich with texture, and it doesn't appear they made use of these basic techniques.

Also there is no excuse for those random green smears.

 
   
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paradise on the vitae (Florida)

Call them out. i have honor too, seriously i do, but that is BS. they were hired, by you, to do a table top quality job. that is rubbish, it isn't table top. i'd be happy to paint better for you. but still, you hired them, you deserve a chance to get back your money after the crap they pulled.

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I have to chime in here, as I whole-heartedly agree with all that that is piss poor work. One of my gaming buddies recently got back 1000 points of blood angels painted by them, he stated it was pretty reasonable, but my god, they weren't as bad as yours, but they didnt even put pupils on the eyes of his commander. I don't think I have the heart to honestly tell him I think he was ripped off by this company.

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Dude,
You got ripped off really bad.
If it was me id have already contacted the company and demanded a total refund.

Hell I suck at painting and I could do better then that drunk with one hand tied behind my back. Can we get a link to the companys forum so we all can ask them WTF on your behalf?

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That's crap.

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Wow, BTP did that? No way in hell is that tabletop quality, especially at that price.

I'm kinda shocked, none of the pics on their website look that bad...of course they're not going to showcase the worst models they've done, no, but I expect they would show you what to expect when you buy a "tabletop quality" paint job.

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Edited because, http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=2911 here they dont look so bad, your pictures make those minis look like garbage, their photos look much better and indeed table top quality, what condition were they primed, and painted before you sent them?

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the 25th century

I hope the dude didn't mean to rip you off, it looks like realy amateurish quality, in line with what my 10 year old would do. Also, it looks like realy low quality material, like "craft barrell" or "rose art". Wonder if this isn't the work of a very young/beginning painter that has sort of convinced himself his stuff looks "awesome". Or maybe someone subbed the job out to a younger sibling? I checked out their website,your models don't seem to be typical of their work. If I was representing this company, I would want to make this right by you, as the negative buzz could damage his business...
   
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West sussex

just a question, why did you do this?
   
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Infiltrating Broodlord





USA

Guys,

Im not pissed off, I guess mainly because it was a trade of bitz my company makes in exchange for their paint work. I really just wanted an opinion on if this is typical of the work they do.

Maybe I was given this quality because it was a trade and not cash.

If it was cash, I would ask for a total refund. They did save me probably about 2-3 hours of base color work, so I did get something out of it, but I dont think I got anywhere near the work they show on the website.

It does concern me that I was told by the owner that my models were
"I thought the models looked good and consistent with L3-4 quality. I think you are being too picky for something that's supposed to "look good on the table" (ie not picked up and picked over)."

So I guess my miniatures are typical of the level they perform, or that because I did send them in assembled and Primed black or with the red flesh already applied it messed up the usual process.

"I opine that what you got was indeed different from what you see on our site because of the starting point of the models that were sent in. "

In any case, at the least this thread can inform people of what they can realistically expect if they contract out this company.

BTW I own a small company that makes custom 40k bits, we are VERY anal about quality of product we produce and include close up shots of our products. I would recommend all painting companies do the same, 8-10 inch shots dont cut it, im talking macro shots.

Nick

 
   
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paradise on the vitae (Florida)

if it was a trade, why did you post something about $65 in your opening post?

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Commission painting, fair prices = http://lordmarcus.wix.com/marcusminis
Hand painted or primed textured bases at 0.50 cents and up = https://www.etsy.com/shop/McDougallDesigns?ref=hdr_shop_menu 
   
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I have a vested interest in this thread as BT is currently painting some 'Nids for me. First of all, the prices you listed are *not* for "tabletop" painting quality, they are for "Level 4" which should be significantly better than tabletop painting. So if you paid level 4 and got this you'd better send them back and get what you paid for.

I had Blue Table paint all of my Rackham Hybrid and Nemesis figures a few years back at "level 4" and they are astoundingly good. I also invite all of the naysayers in this thread to go and look at the Blue Table website and especially their Tyranids galleries and see if you are not gawking at how fantastic they look. Here's one example:

http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=1542

I also don't understand why you haven't included the link they posted with your figures on it as the lighting is much better and gives a much better impression than poorly lit super-close-ups.

http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=2911

In any case, I would say that your figures do look "tabletop" quality. They have paint on them and they are ok looking but not great. I just don't understand why they charged you "level 4" prices as the figures in the first link I've posted are all "level 4" and look a hell of a lot better than yours. Maybe part of the problem here is that you sent them figures that were already painted to some degree? You should have gotten a discount for sending them painted and assembled figures as well.

If you are not happy with them, send them back. I know Shawn will try and make you happy as I have worked with him before. You seem to have paid the cost of level 4 figs including an assembly fee and gotten level 3 figs with no discount for pre-assembled figures. (I'm assuming that if they were already painted they were already assembled too?)

AX





   
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lord marcus wrote:if it was a trade, why did you post something about $65 in your opening post?


Easy, that was the fee they charge for that model, and that was the amount of trade involved for that mini. IE I gave them $210 in trade merchandise in exchange for the same amount of service from them.

 
   
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axabrax wrote:I have a vested interest in this thread as BT is currently painting some 'Nids for me. First of all, the prices you listed are *not* for "tabletop" painting quality, they are for "Level 4" which should be significantly better than tabletop painting. So if you paid level 4 and got this you'd better send them back and get what you paid for.

I had Blue Table paint all of my Rackham Hybrid and Nemesis figures a few years back at "level 4" and they are astoundingly good. I also invite all of the naysayers in this thread to go and look at the Blue Table website and especially their Tyranids galleries and see if you are not gawking at how fantastic they look. Here's one example:

http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=1542

I also don't understand why you haven't included the link they posted with your figures on it as the lighting is much better and gives a much better impression than poorly lit super-close-ups.

http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=2911

In any case, I would say that your figures do look "tabletop" quality. They have paint on them and they are ok looking but not great. I just don't understand why they charged you "level 4" prices as the figures in the first link I've posted are all "level 4" and look a hell of a lot better than yours. Maybe part of the problem here is that you sent them figures that were already painted to some degree? You should have gotten a discount for sending them painted and assembled figures as well.

If you are not happy with them, send them back. I know Shawn will try and make you happy as I have worked with him before. You seem to have paid the cost of level 4 figs including an assembly fee and gotten level 3 figs with no discount for pre-assembled figures. (I'm assuming that if they were already painted they were already assembled too?)

AX




Hi AX,

Yeah, its amazing what you notice in person vs photos, I tried to take really upclose photos that show the paint jobs.

I didnt pay for assembly, I sent all my stuff magentized and cleaned and primed.

This thread isnt a bashing thread, if anything i wanted an opinion on table top and BTP past work. As you say, I paid for level 3 and 4, and well, it doesnt look like I got that. (level 4 was the tyrant, I would think the Carni, level 3 the biovore).

In any case, Shawn said he would send my bits back (he didnt offer to repaint) I said no, a trade is trade.

Id be interested to see your nids and close up shots when you get them in.

Nick

 
   
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Yeah, you really should have taken your bits back.

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@ Ax :

Look back to page 1 with the pics with my comments next to them.

It doesnt matter how anyone try to manipulate the pic (sure zoom out and take pic from far away ) to make it look more "table quality" The fact is right there ... atleast color in the proper spot. No excuses seriously.


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I am convinced you got swindled by a blind guy with parkinsons who gave himself out to be a proffesional painter.
You could've achieved better results than that yourself by sticking your fingers in random paint pots and touching the minis all over.

The fact that you paid $65 for that...I just feel sorry for you man, you got real ripped off.
Next time, paint them yourself.
Might not be fast, but it'll look better, it'll be cheaper, and I can guarantee it'll be a lot more fun.

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paradise on the vitae (Florida)

Chapterhouse wrote:
axabrax wrote:


I said no, a trade is trade.

Nick


and a bad trade at that. he did not give you what you were supposed to get. he ripped you off. i'm not saying a trade is not a trade, but he delivered very poorly on his end.

1000th post = 7/20/11
Look at our profits, now look at our sales, now look back at our profits. Sadly, sales numbers aren't in line with our profits, but it could be, now that we've introduced FINECAST(tm), slashed staff and raised prices. Look at my hand, its our annual report... look again, the report is now DIAMONDS. Anything is possible when you invest with GW. (I'm issuing a dividend.)

"There's no political issue too intractable for a bunch of angry men with pointed sticks." - Cracked article.

Commission painting, fair prices = http://lordmarcus.wix.com/marcusminis
Hand painted or primed textured bases at 0.50 cents and up = https://www.etsy.com/shop/McDougallDesigns?ref=hdr_shop_menu 
   
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nottingam, uk

That is really terrible IMO, personally I don't understand why amyone would pay for their mini's painted unless you want a Golden Demon quality of something, in which case I would recommend they still paint it themselves so your own painting get better with practice. Tabletop quality is easy for anyone with a small amount of skill(unless you have the DTs and can't keep your hands from shaking), especialy with the paints and washes availiable. Honestly, when I see stuff like this it just make me laugh, just like the so called "proffesionally painted" shiite on ebay. My opinion, Do It Yourself! LOL


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Omg you got riped of... HARD

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Infiltrating Broodlord





USA

Yeah,

I guess I consider table top quality with what I do, Im no golden demon but for $65 a mini, they better be better then quicky jobs.

Here are some of my painted items that I consider ok, not great.

All in all, would have done had better results if i speed painted the nids. Just be careful with waht you think your getting and what actually gets done guys.

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Salamander Rhino

[Thumb - Pred.jpg]
Salamander Predator

[Thumb - Farseer.jpg]
Farseer

[Thumb - firedragon.jpg]
Firedragon

[Thumb - Avenger.jpg]
Avenger


 
   
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Something to consider:

In any exchange of services, the offeror must make a firm and definite expression in which the terms of the sale are explicit. In other words, there must be a relevant "meeting of the minds" on which the contract is based.

As far as I know, and based on statements made by you, many of the miniatures you submitted were supposed to be the "level 2" desigation. Under this level I see no breach as the website clearly expresses what is done at the lv.2 standard. The breach arises when we look at the higher levels of performance supposedly required with the elevation of the price.

With the higher payments due for the miniatures at the higher level, the painting service has made EXPRESS terms specifically stating what the miniatures WILL LIKELY look like. It is reasonable to assume that any miniatures done at this enhanced fee which DO NOT meet the painting standards implied in the contract constitute a PARTIAL BREACH OF PERFORMANCE under the terms agreed to by the buyer (you).

Professionalism has nothing to do with making consumers aware of FRAUD perpetrated by a business within our beloved community. You did the right thing by posting the shoddy work of the service.

By the way, your painting is much better.

If it were me, I would demand a refund (at least a refund for the "higher level" painting which was not done). Just a thought....

(Disclaimer: This is only my opinion and is not meant to be legal advice of any kind, reader is so advised.)

   
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Cardiff, UK

AAAH! EYE AIDS!

No no, i'm not commenting on your camera skillz (mad though they are) - it's the fact that they look like they've been painted by a Parkinson's patient after an espresso and 2 days of sleep deprivation...

They'd look better flat coated and washed, which could take no more than half an hour of work. Glad you named, I respect your not wanting to disrespect the painter, but the people need to know!

 
   
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Yeah dude,
Sorry, but if you dont take them up on the offer of a refund, then you are dumb for letting youself GET ripped off.

Its plain as day that you didnt get what you wanted, the paint quality is crap at best, and they agreed aka offering you a refund on your bits.

TAKE IT!

Also yeah the pics may be fuzzy, but its not hard to look past that and see the bad paintjob below.

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Manchester, UK

As i said before, you have paid someone 4 hours worth of wages for 10 minutes work. Maybe BTP had a bunch of sicknotes that day but, you should really get a refund for that level of work.

Personally, i thank you for posting this. There are times when i would consider paying a company to paint stuff for me so i can play games and not spend hours doing the painting myself. Having seen what you got for your money, i would do it myself.

Christ, a basecoat and a wash takes about 30 mins. Even on a model the size of a tyrant. BTP should be ashamed and, if there are any representatives of them on this forum, they really should be giving a good explanation as to why their end-product looks so awful!

P.s. I DO appreciate this was on a trade deal and you had already given the models a rough coat of paint. You gave them $210 worth of bitz for it?! What a bunch of d**kheads they are.

EDIT: Lunas' cleaned-up pics showed that, regardless of camera quality, the person who painted them had no idea what they were doing.

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