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Frosty Hardtop wrote:Okay, new question. Possessed Chaos Space Marines have wings on the models, but in the codex they don't have the option. So, can they fly? Or can they not fly?

They can't fly, they just move 6 inches like everything else. Most of the stuff on possessed is there to help represent some other ability they can roll off of their random abilities chart.

Just a note here, but with 5 landraiders (with units to make them dedicated when needed) the points would be through the roof

also with orks, you can actually take 8 battlewagons

3 nobz units (elite) 3 wagons
3 wagons (heavy)
2 nobz units (taken as troops if you have 2 warbosses) 2 wagons

JD21290 wrote:Just a note here, but with 5 landraiders (with units to make them dedicated when needed) the points would be through the roof

also with orks, you can actually take 8 battlewagons

3 nobz units (elite) 3 wagons
3 wagons (heavy)
2 nobz units (taken as troops if you have 2 warbosses) 2 wagons

Oh.... Snap! I forgot about that
-Starts to work out the cost-

The raiders + termies are impossible at small games (under 2,000) as they cant fill in the troops + HQ

the orks list is possible at 2,500, i have written a list on here before with 8 wagons
i think i may be able to push it down to 2,000 points aswell.

Oh well if you are going minimum sized nob squads, you can easily get it cheap. Hell, with Minimum Sized Squads and no Upgrades (bar PK for the Bosses),
2 Bosses, 5 Squads of 3 Nobz, 8 Wagons, 1190 Points

i know, but glancing hits will then be bad for wagons
and we need rollers on some, 3 with killkannons, list goes on, but upgrades make the list of some use.

im just pissed that in the new dex wagons cant take skorchas :K

Like the wings on Chickens, only good for eating. (In referance to the posessed marines)

JD21290 wrote:i know, but glancing hits will then be bad for wagons
and we need rollers on some, 3 with killkannons, list goes on, but upgrades make the list of some use.

im just pissed that in the new dex wagons cant take skorchas :K

No you only need 2 with killkannon so that you can make "Fake" Units. You take 3 with Lobba's for barrage destruction (no need for killkannon) 3 with kannons and one has a KK, and 2 Zapp guns where one has a KK.

We just came into a situation where the Chaos Dreadnought's crazed target was pretty much equidistant. In that situation, what do we do? We made some mistakes and just discounted the whole thing, but what happens then? Do we roll off? Do we play Street Fighter 4 to decide?

If the two targets are, to the limits of your measurement, equidistant then you should definitely D6 it - you dont ignore it just randomly choose who gets hit.

GW's famous 4+ answer. Yeah, just select one of the two randomly.

Thanks for the help so far.

A few questions about grenades and such.

According to the table using grenades against vehicles.

Assault/Defensive Grenades - 4 + d6
Krak Grenades - 6 + d6
Meltabombs - 8 + 2d6

Now, this suggests that when rolling to penetrate a vehicle with Assault Grenades, you'd roll 4 + d6, Or 4 +d6 to determine the strength, then another d6 to penetrate?

How exactly does a grenade attack resolve? Do I get one attack with my model? Does the entire unit attack using grenades, or can I decide?

How do grenades work against walkers?

My last question has nothing to do with grenades. Looking at the Runtherd Grabba Stick, let's say I've got three Runtherds in a unit that assaults, say, one guy. Does the Grabba Stick's ability stack? Does it resolve on my initiative, or does it resolve before the Assault starts? Can I reduce a target's attacks to 0?

You were right the first time - the entire armour penetration is 4+D6, as there is no "strength" indicated.

In terms of grenade attacks - only ever one attack per model, and, as they are not "special" close combat weapons you can choose which models attack with them. So a warboss with PK could still use his powerklaw, or a sergeant could use his powerfist.

Against walkers it is clearly in the rules for walkers, page 73, 3rd paragraph of the left column. Hint: walkers arent normal vehicles, and they tend to move a bit when you try to stick a grenade on them

Grabba Stick - they stack, so you can make a 4 attack model lose 3 attacks, and you determine this before initiative starts to resolve - it is an immediate effect, like defensive grenades. I beleive it has the usual "down to a minimum of 1" restriction however you will need to check the rule for it!

How does Assault resolve with grenades? If my figures get 3 attacks each, with a grenade, do they get one Grenade attack, and then two physical attacks, or do they get 1 Grenade attack, and that's it?

Frosty Hardtop wrote:How does Assault resolve with grenades? If my figures get 3 attacks each, with a grenade, do they get one Grenade attack, and then two physical attacks, or do they get 1 Grenade attack, and that's it?

Against a Vehicle, you can pick between Full Normal attacks or 1 Grenade.

That's it.

Which leaves the obvious assessment that, if your model/unit already has S4 (or better), there's no reason to use assault/defensive grenades against the vehicle. You're better off with the higher rate of attacks... Especially if charging.

MagickalMemories wrote:Which leaves the obvious assessment that, if your model/unit already has S4 (or better), there's no reason to use assault/defensive grenades against the vehicle. You're better off with the higher rate of attacks... Especially if charging.

Unless you have Krak Grenades

Gwar! wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Which leaves the obvious assessment that, if your model/unit already has S4 (or better), there's no reason to use assault/defensive grenades against the vehicle. You're better off with the higher rate of attacks... Especially if charging.

Unless you have Krak Grenades

But what if my models S 8?!!

Gwar! wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Which leaves the obvious assessment that, if your model/unit already has S4 (or better), there's no reason to use assault/defensive grenades against the vehicle. You're better off with the higher rate of attacks... Especially if charging.

Unless you have Krak Grenades

In which case, you'd be going outside the parameters given in the thread, of course:

Assault/Defensive Grenades - 4 + d6
Krak Grenades - 6 + d6