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I can't vote. But if you want to make the model similar to that piece of artwork you posted, I would go for a Warscythe.

I don't know how the Resurrection Orb would work on just a round 40mm base, you would need more space to work for that one I think.

Hey Guys,

computer has gone down so no pictures at the moment- I hope to get it sorted in the next 48 hours :sad:

Anyway, yet more work done last night! So far, I have (in 2 sittings!):

Sculpted a nice frayed cloak to hang off his haunches
Adapted and enhanced the extraeneous spine/ crown to fit on his back- it is the metal one that comes with destroyer lord.
Converted the right arm and hand from the original destroyer left hand (to be holding the commissar)
Carved out the banner pole/ spike from the commissars body to reveal his entire internal spinal column and pelvis bones.
Filled the spacer gaps on the extension points on calves and thighs

Tonight I will (hopefully):
Up-armour the legs over the fill in points (denser plating will reflect his status and balance the increase in torso size.)
Possibly give him hip guards using the pelvis plate from the destroyer body
Model and intergrate the right hand into actually grasping the commissar and model the coat around the hand/ fingers.

Should I add a chain of office around his neck? (like the original lord and the Ltd ed one with the army boxed set?

So, to answer the discussions points:
After looking at the commissar sans pointy stick riding through him, it became apparent that he was perfectly flayed!!! His coat and waistcoat are partially burned away to reveal the skeleton underneath which in my mind epitomises 'flaying'. If I was to paint everything on him crisp and clean, it would almost be like his bones had been bleached? There is even enough texture on the bones to show grizzle and blood!
That leads me to the weaponry.

As I say, he will have the lovely little scarab from the metal lord on one arm to represent the psylactery/ chronometron and I like the Orb currently, as it balances the model.
However, you bring up some good points. Personally the war scythe would be the most logical weapon for the leg removal (plus I prefer the model), but isn't it the staff of Light that has the 'gauss' capability?
That said, I think looking at what the base (his location) will be may help. At the moment I am torn between:

Imperial cityscape (possibly even a balcony) Lord presenting the commissar in an almost contemptfull/ baiting manner
In the middle of a desert on the top of a small dune (some binoculars half buried like the IG have just been totally over run?)
OR
A.N.Y other as per your thoughts?

I am concerned that with his foot span being 40mm (I know!) that getting a scythe or even a pile of necron bodies/ human skulls on the base is going to be too much. I will look at this properly tonight. You may be right Malika- even the orb would be better left in his hand;-)

So, to all, what are your thoughts?

cheers

Warhound

The thing is that you might lose focus on what actually happens on that base. It's the Necron Lord showing off this dead Commissar (Imperial cityscape base is most fitting). As soon as you start adding Necrons that are waking up the attention will go to them rather than the dead Commissar, whilst cool it thus tends to function as a distraction from what is really going on.

I have a feeling that the orb will stay (and possibly have some delicate casing/ circuitry running over the surface???!) and no weaponry visible. I like the simplicity that the model and balance give at the moment and don't really want to detract from that;-)

nO Necrons then... just simple?

cheers
W

Agreed even though it would look cool,lots of dead Necrons re awaking would pull the judges eyes away from what you want them to be looking at.

Hmm, seems we are all on the same page- now to see what the other forums think- although I think that they are all still asleep and in need of a res orb!;-)

cheers

W

well, the limited space will obviously be the biggest problem. So fitting a bunch of necs on there next to the lord and commissar could be a tight fit.

Id still go for the Scythe tho.
I mean. Hes holding a victim and hes probably going to kill him. With what though? Is he gonna beat his head to pulp with the orb? Nah, thats just silly.

So take the scythe. I like the idea of having the flying a bouts somehwere. Or, it could be a few small ones surrounding him.
I think Insaniak once did a "drop pod" army where he did something similar. Ill try and look for a ref pic.

Edit: It was actually the assault squad of the special ops marines. Heres the link
klick

Ah, yes the old 'deepstriking' effect;-)

Thing is, the commissar is already well and truly flayed and dead (check out the banner top here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/wezhu.htm )

So the weapon that killed him is almost mute in point- he could have just picked him up off the battlefield and is showing him to the army to make sure that they realise that they have lost;-)

I do like the idea of small things (scarabs) flying around him though- will look at sculpting something tonight;-)

cheers

W

Wow, can't wait to see some pics I wish I hadn't missed the voting, but most of my faves made it in, anyway!

SO, the computer is back online, but not as much done last night as I had hoped:-(

Maybe thats a good thing, so I dont't get carried away with myself! :roll:

Anyway, here you can see the orb done, detail added to his forehead, and everything else pretty much just in situ.
The orb is growing on me, but you need to imagine it painted- I am thinking black, with green trace lines on all the seems and then silver rivulets over the top? It would be a blend of monolith styling, but with liquid metal oozing out of it... oooh what if I modelled some on the floor running towards a necron, ala terminator T1000?

Anyway, with the forehead embellishment he started to look a bit fresher than what I see an archaic lord should look like and will probably enhance the furrowed brow/ evil arched eye look. I have included another sketch I found at Deviant art and wanted to ask the question again about chains of office. All lord art (inc GW) includes it, but the models don't have it? I quite like it, but what do you guys think? Oh and yes, he is quite large now and a bit gangly, but I quite like that- it feels alien;-)











As I say, the aim is to get him finished by sunday night, so full steam ahead!

cheers

Warhound

I myself don't like the orb,but maybe thats just me.Or the photo.


But I would like to see it painted black with a swirling vortex of green light in the middle of it.You could maybe do a glow effect and have the lords face illuminated in a sickly green.

What about all the robing and effects of his 'office'? Do think that they would be a good edition?

To be honest, as the orb is a separate component, I can have various attempts at making one that fits the bill, but for the time being, it at worst, illustrates what I am trying to achieve. I would like to make one that has even finer detail, so will probably try that;-)

When it comes to the painting, OSL is not something that I favour. I find that without exception, the effect is over used and means that every model is effectively being painted in a dusk to night setting, EXCEPT that everyone, always manages to paint other colours into the model.
This should not happen as when it gets darker, all colours disappear. Fire in daylight (say from a lighter) has a strength that will reach up to say 2 inches reflecting onto a surface. You would think that a normal led/ optic lense on a machine had the power in lumens of the sun given what some people try to achieve through paint effects!!!

Please don't enter into a debate on the physics of light- these are just my feelings on how abused OSL is:-)

cheers

W

I agree with Deff Dread red Edition when it comes to the orb. Im just not a fan of it and lwould like to see a massive flayer/scythe type of staff like weapon a la the tooled up lord from dawn of war.

Its looking good so farm. maybe you could straighten out the legs a bit to make im a wee bit taler.

And yes, he needs a cloak. one that is torn up quite a bit.

Hmm I would change the pose of the legs a bit, as in that the would stand up a bit of straight rather than the squatted position he has now.

Hmmm, there seems to be a bit of consensus about the legs at the moment...?

Is it that he is too squat? Necrons typically are squat as per GW design, but would you like to see him taller/ less squat or reposed totally?

If you can provide a pic ref for the stance you see working then please do, as if I repose the legs, it will be a one shot attempt! I am sort of feeling it though...

cheers
W

The legs might look better if they were more heavily armoured, they look a bit spindly at the moment compared to his upper torso. I also think some kind of staff would look better than the orb.

Is it that he is too squat? Necrons typically are squat as per GW design, but would you like to see him taller/ less squat or reposed totally?

All GW models tend to squad...don't know why though...

The pose in the artwork (last one you posted) is a little bit better. What about having him walk forward on some balcony, presenting the corpse of the Commissar for all down to see?

For the upright position you might want to check out this thread.

AH , nice one, cheers for that Malika.

I think I will up-armour the legs first and see what that does to the silouette, I think totally upright would put him in the 35-40mm band! which is hugh!!!

cheers
warhound:-)

I agree a giving him height and bulking up the leg armour would be best.

Indeed! However, don't make the bulk too crude, the Necrons still have some form of very twisted elegance which puts them more along the lines with the Eldar than lets say the Imperium or Orks. You might want to include small engraved runes (Necron symbols) throughout the body, some of them might radiate some intense green light.

ooh, good idea! On the thigh plates would be best for subtle runes...;-)

I will see what I can do tonight!;-)

cheers
W

maybe you could have the orb sucking in the commisars soul? instead of just having it sit there,or replacing it with a staff

Excellent point Malika.And I also agree rather have the orb either,doing something else or remove it,I would love to see the Necron lord holding a staff.

What about some weapon that is a combination between a staff and a scythe? So it would have the blade of a scythe (Nightbringer style!) but at the centre, here it's connected with the pole it could have a rod/energy source with some decorations on it, similar to a staff.

You might also want to give the figure a bigger cloak.


Hmm...and now I want to see that Dark Eldar thing again!

Maybe even a combination of staff and orb with the ork on the top of the staff.

A dead Ork as well? :O

That is a really cool idea by the way, the the orb is integrated into the staff/scythe.

ooh, good idea! On the thigh plates would be best for subtle runes...;-)

Not just the thighs, what about the shoulders, back, and arms?

Head, shoulders, knees and toes?

Possibly, but I think the balance between detail and keeping the piece as evolved simplistic technology will be a hard one to maintain. Each piece will be taken at a time to make sure that I don't push it to far one way or the other.

cheers;-)

W


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OH, sorry guys, I really dont like the idea of an orb/ scythe/ staff cross over- it will be one or the other!;-)

cheers
W

Well then the scythe,I am just not feeling the orb.

Scythe is a good choice.

It would be a standard weapon (nothing flash) and resting on the floor with one hand supporting it upright.

Let me finish the orb though, I want to exhaust the idea before giving up on it;-)

cheers
W

Like I said maybe it is the pic that is making the orb look bad.

Also if you want to add even more height to him why not have lots of little scarabs running round the bottom of his base.