Autarch + Farseer + 4 'Locks + Falcon: Solid melee assist unit or point sink?

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**Emperors Faithful**

Well with the amount of shots you'd get from a squad of bolters you'd be cuasing ALOT of wounds, guardians would be paste no doubt, a seer squad would stand a better chance (especially with fortune) but even then a 4+ save (invo or not) is not that great if you are dealing with a lot of wounds.

**willydstyle**

That's why you gotta put them on bikes. The 4 Toughness and 3+ save is worth more than the mobility.

**Emperors Faithful**

Yeah, but then as a skimmer they're gonna get blown to pieces if they don't move fast (3+ or not) and IF they turbo-boost I'm not sure if they can use fortune.
So yes, they will survive more shooting, but more stuff will shoot at them. A falcon is safe from most small arm fire, so not a badish choice.

Also, how expensive are those bikes?

**willydstyle**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Yeah, but then as a skimmer they're gonna get blown to pieces if they don't move fast (3+ or not) and IF they turbo-boost I'm not sure if they can use fortune.
So yes, they will survive more shooting, but more stuff will shoot at them. A falcon is safe from most small arm fire, so not a badish choice.

Also, how expensive are those bikes?

They're not skimmers, they're jetbikes. Most AP 3 weapons are low-shot weapons, or blasts, so you can spread out to defend from them, and you still get your 4+ rerollable invulnerable. Against small arms you get a 3+ rerollable and you're toughness 4. Seriously, they're one of the toughest units in the game.

**Emperors Faithful**

And expense?

You have to ask yourself, do I want 4locks, farseer, autarch (

) and wave serpent, or a farseer and 1 or 2 locks on some pimped out bikes. Probably cost about the same.

And by the way, when I said skimmer, I meant they are kind of difficult to hide behind cover. Floating is stuff is like that a lot.

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P.S. a wave serpent would ensure safety from all small arms fire.

**willydstyle**

Min cost wave serpent: 100

4 warlocks, with average 10-point powers each (some are more, some are less): 140

Autarch w/ gear: 90ish

Total cost: 330

For that you could have 6 warlocks on jetbikes with 10 point powers. I'd take the warlocks.

**Emperors Faithful**

Yes, but they ARE still vulnerable (a bit) to small arms fire.
A wave serpent would luagh in the face of small arms fire. (COMPLETEY safe ya know?)
Anyway I'm arguing for the sake of it, honestly I think having your HQ THAT fast and THAT badass is worth it.
Besides, it takes Need for Speed and shoves it in our slow human faces.

**willydstyle**

Yeah, but the reason why waveserpents suck in 5th ed is the complete lack of firepoints. If you actually want your warlocks to kill things, you have to get out, and setting up an assault out of a waveserpent is nigh-impossible against a good player.

**Emperors Faithful**

Don't rely on the wave serpent as a firebase (get a fire prism if you want the BOOM! BOOM!), it's just to get your aces squad safely across the field to where they are needed.

I must persist in saying, ditch the Autarch and get some more Warlocks.