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Well Cogs are already going to be capable of 6-7 model units of Type 3's armed with a rocket launcher that has a range of 6. That's 18-21 rockets doing damage of 2 each! I'd say 5 TacArms is nothing compared to that! But honestly, I'd prefer the small units, I'd just make them more resilient by giving them two wounds each.

Myrnir wrote:Well Cogs are already going to be capable of 6-7 model units of Type 3's armed with a rocket launcher that has a range of 6. That's 18-21 rockets doing damage of 2 each! I'd say 5 TacArms is nothing compared to that! But honestly, I'd prefer the small units, I'd just make them more resilient by giving them two wounds each.

6-7 Hunters requires a high ranking clone to lead them, making the initial cost of the unit somewhere around 4-500 points, then ad around 125 points per TA efter those initial 2... That, my friend, is 1000pts +!

One indirect blast later and they are heads down in the dirt...

I didn't say it would be used often, if ever, but it IS possible And Steel TacArms in units of 5 would work the same way, coming in at around 500 pts in cost. Like I said, I'd much rather just give all type 3 inf 2 wnds.

In my personal Cog lists, I will have several 4-5 Cog type 3 inf units

This is my full 10k company list, which you saw a piece of on the AT-43 forums:

A-Volution List favoring the machine end of the Cogs, almost all Type 1 striders and type 3 inf. Hardly biologic at all....

1st Platoon
Platoon 1
- 4 Pillager
- 4 Pillager
- 3 Counter-Snipers (+ A-volution G36)
- 2 Sharpshooter sniper team
- 3 Counter-Snipers (+ A-volution G18)
Platoon 2
- 4 Pillager

2nd Platoon
- 4 Pillager
- 3 Counter-Snipers (+ A-volution G36)
- 2 Sharpshooter sniper team
- 3 Counter-Snipers (+ A-volution G18)
Platoon 3
- 4 Pillager
- 4 Pillager

3rd Heavy Support Platoon
- 4 Gunmen (+ A-volution G45)
- 2 Sharpshooter sniper team
- 4 Gunmen (+ A-volution G45)
Platoon 4
- 4 Ravager
- 4 Hunters (+ A-volution G18)

Maybe ditch the Sharpshooter Support teams in favour for MedTec and/or other ONI mercs... ?

Hmm Med Tec is a good idea! Unfortunately I am trying to do a purely Cog force, and frankly, there are few biologic units to heal in that force And I actually kind of like the sniper teams. They make good scout teams, if a bit squishy compared to the rest of the units. The scary part is all those Cog leaders have an AI beacon and can summon MORE machines And I already know how I'm gonna paint them too! If I can pull it off, they will look really cool!

Myrnir wrote:Hmm Med Tec is a good idea! Unfortunately I am trying to do a purely Cog force, and frankly, there are few biologic units to heal in that force And I actually kind of like the sniper teams. They make good scout teams, if a bit squishy compared to the rest of the units. The scary part is all those Cog leaders have an AI beacon and can summon MORE machines And I already know how I'm gonna paint them too! If I can pull it off, they will look really cool!

Basicly the MedTecs are used for filler/point-shaver... Keep 'em in reserve forever if you like... Or drop them on nasty locations to hinder the enemy. (Non-destroyable terrain! Not even field engineers / combat engineers may nuke them! )

I agree with using MedTachs for uses other than healing.

You get a serious amnount if deployable terrain, the crate and two high walls amounts to 25cm of hard cover exactly where you need it. A blessing in the open killing fields of most rulebook scenarios (which I wont play anyway).

I think that on its own is worth more than 75pts.

Then you get to fill in platoons for less than the cost of a support team.

Then you get to heal things outside your own unit. Essential with *** infantry.

Med Teams are borkan. I think the race that gets best use out of them are Karmans but any race can use them. once I started adding med teams to my lists as more than just a bit of local colour I found just how much they can be abused. Making a Flux list is far easier now half the infantry points are vapoured away and the infantry thats left is survivable because it gets healed. Karmans need the break but I am thinking the unit needs toning down.

You are wrong on

Sikil wrote: Or drop them on nasty locations to hinder the enemy. (Non-destroyable terrain! Not even field engineers / combat engineers may nuke them! )

This part is wrong, all deployable terrain items are destroyable. Also combat engineerrs can destroy non-deployable terrain which is the only way you can destroy as opposed to hoist away a scwenario deployed terrain feature.

just in case you feel like shooting the messenger I think that rule makes little sense and think all crates, blocks etc should be destroyable.

Orlanth wrote:
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You are wrong on

Sikil wrote: Or drop them on nasty locations to hinder the enemy. (Non-destroyable terrain! Not even field engineers / combat engineers may nuke them! )

This part is wrong, all deployable terrain items are destroyable. Also combat engineerrs can destroy non-deployable terrain which is the only way you can destroy as opposed to hoist away a scwenario deployed terrain feature.

just in case you feel like shooting the messenger I think that rule makes little sense and think all crates, blocks etc should be destroyable.

Am I? I am fairly certain that Jean clarified it on the AT-43 forums. I may remember it wrongly thou... At least it was deemed non-destroyable by weapons. Will check up what was said on the field engineering / combat engineering stuff.


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Oki, I was part wrong. They are indeed impenetrable by firearms and all that. Only combat / field engineers are able to destroy it with their special ability.

Still, its a good way to force less medics on your opponent!

Those pictures are jaw-droppingly cool!!! Maybe I should wait for these guys...

RiTides Nids wrote:Those pictures are jaw-droppingly cool!!! Maybe I should wait for these guys...

If you like zombies and Resident Evil, then you should wait...

Is that what they are/resemble? Maybe we're not looking at the same pictures? I was referring to this (quoting LunaHound from a different thread):

LunaHound wrote:Here are some preview of O.N.I corps ( seems like posessed humans mixed with both UNA and Red Blok )

Cryonicleech wrote:Would you kindly explain what the Cog are?

They seem to be good guys (physically fragile , long limbed aliens) which they make up for with tons of mecha and suits. ( army still in preview so i dunno much )

Yep those are Oni pics, and yes they will have a mercenary component Cogs are very tall, and ALL clones. The further up the chain you go, the less organic they are, and the more machinelike. Very interesting race, and their leaders are unlike anything else in the game

Those are pretty old ONI pictures. In my opinion, the end product looks far better than the prototypes you have above.

Well Blokhead feel free to share! I haven't seen the most recent pics like you have

Blokhead wrote:Those are pretty old ONI pictures. In my opinion, the end product looks far better than the prototypes you have above.

*starts chant*

"Pics! Pics! Pics!"

http://picasaweb.google.com/herr.berends/Rackham?authkey=Gv1sRgCNe2x4vl4qf4UQ&feat=directlink#5338315249852249026
http://picasaweb.google.com/herr.berends/Rackham?authkey=Gv1sRgCNe2x4vl4qf4UQ&feat=directlink#5338315247158068306

Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Pic no work :x

Those are cool pics Duncan_Idaho. Are those the vehicles for the army? Does anyone have pics of the current version of the above models, too?

Doesn't hurt to ask

Edit: One of the vehicles says "U.N.A." on the side! That makes me think these aren't related to the ONI at all (unless I'm missing something?). They're still cool, either way

They're going to need to start supporting 6' by 4' play areas if they really want to bring vehicles like that into AT-43. Gonna need more room to move them around.

I want this one.



This one too.

Wow Orlanth, that first pic is awesome! The second one doesn't show up for me for some reason?

As far as I know they are fan-pics, nothing from Rackham.

I cannot confirm they are not fan pics caught in with official drawings, but they are from Hendrik Berends's "Rackham" gallery. You know, the one you linked to.

Gen Con pics: ONI.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eqPrIE5E1OM/SoQob26JdmI/AAAAAAAAAFU/Gb5i3s8AcJo/s1600-h/0813091050-787085.jpg

Duncan , this amazing army deserves to be put in news and rumor.

so im going to go make a thread there!
(this is the dream army chaos cultist , IG transport players have been dreaming about forever)

Nice catch. I wonder if you get alternate turrets in the Army boxset.

The smaller vehicle gun looks like a graser, nasty in itself. So its anyones guess what the big vehicle gun does.

So ONI boxset contains girl heroine?, APC with choice of guns? mutant *** infantry? and 'servitors'?

I wonder.

Orlanth wrote:Nice catch. I wonder if you get alternate turrets in the Army boxset.

The smaller vehicle gun looks like a graser, nasty in itself. So its anyones guess what the big vehicle gun does.

So ONI boxset contains girl heroine?, APC with choice of guns? mutant *** infantry? and 'servitors'?

I wonder.

That's the entire Production box sans the Oni Tactica sheet. It contains 2 Type 2 infantry units(the Zombies with buzz saws, and I say 2, because that's how Jean Bey set them up, as 2 6 man units), 1 Type 1(Zombies with stubby arms under the sniper), 1 Type 3 Infantry unit(the Zombie Tac Arms), a Type 2 Transport(the gunless vehicle), and 1 Hero Vehicle(the Truck with Gun is the Sniper Chick's Ride). There are NO alternate turrets in the kit and from handling everything that went into the case, the gun DOES NOT come off.

o_o posted in the wrong thread.

Wow they looked similar

Weitere ONI-Bilder

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Weitere ONI-Bilder

Now this looks fantastic... I think I will pick them up too