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I have come to enjoy rap, especially seeing as most songs have the most hilarious of lyrics that can't be taken serious.

Mega-Facepalm in the direction of Emperor's Faithful for the millionth time already.

I like to listen to a lot of different styles of music, from Simon and Garfunkel to Deicide, but I do genuinely find the broad genre of HipRapPop to be mostly gak. As a musician I listen to a lot of things generally considered difficult to listen to for enjoyment - just ask any hitchhiker I've picked up since I put Jordan Rudess' last three solo albums in my car stack. Being a keyboardist I love a lot of electronic music, but I find myself only barely tolerating 90% of vocalists I'm willing to listen to, and find image-promoted music to be more pomp and attitude than anything else. Dance styles, for example, do not bother me as long as no one is 'MC-ing'. Dance music isn't my thing at all, but I like to make trancey tracks at home because synthesizers are one of my main hobbies. I just wouldn't perform it.

But then again, some people do act and dress the way their favourite bands suggest that they should, and you can spot them a half-mile away (or down around the trailer park). On the metal side of things, there are those fight-dancing idiots who follow 'scenie' or 'corecore' bands (especially the straightedge ones), and we'd just tell them to calm the feth down and bang their heads if they wanted us to keep playing. That hippy wigging out in the corner is worth a hundred times more respect.

My preferred flavour starts with progressive/technical and usually gets heavy, but a bit of electronica is my preferred spice. Music is a matter of taste, and I've used the 'spicy food' analogy on Dakka before. If you can't handle a vindaloo, you can either man up and get used to it, or go home and eat your mashed potatoes. Either way, you're still just a faranghi, eating curry (or a curry-eating fahrangi), and only a rabid curry-fanboy would give you any respect for it anyway. Obviously Indians don't give a feth what you eat.

EDIT: On what Wrexasaur said about fusion... I agree. Different styles of music combined in new ways always interest me, especially when it makes something I wouldn't normally listen to catch my attention.

whatwhat wrote:Music can't be broke down into some objective argument made up of points about how its not this and that. Music is completely subjective, what sounds good to you is completely different to someone else.

Actually, that's only partially true. There is a lot of music theory that can be used to analyze and discuss music in objective terms, and a lot of theory behind why certain things sound the way they do, and why those sounds can evoke certain feelings and moods more readily than others. Of course, a lot of this involves critical listening skills and knowledge of music theory that the vast majority of listeners do not possess and probably don't even know exists. Of course, personally deciding whether or not music is "good" or "bad" is quite subjective, but it isn't true to say that music is completely subjective, either.


As for me, I like a lot of different stuff (and I don't just mean different sub-genres of rock and metal, either ). Dixieland Jazz is fun, and I really like a lot of classical and contemporary wind ensemble pieces, as well as orchestral stuff. Some of my favorite composers are Frank Ticheli, Johan de Meij, Jack Stamp, and Hans Zimmer, as well as Gustav Holst. I do listen to a lot of rock too, and a very limited amount of rap and hip-hop.

Right now though, I'm really enjoying the band Puscifer.

What I want to know, is why wargaming turns people into metal heads, or metal heads always come to wargaming?

(Runs off to listen to Florence and the Machine in a flowery robe and spread the love.)

Hordini wrote:

whatwhat wrote:Music can't be broke down into some objective argument made up of points about how its not this and that. Music is completely subjective, what sounds good to you is completely different to someone else.

Actually, that's only partially true. There is a lot of music theory that can be used to analyze and discuss music in objective terms, and a lot of theory behind why certain things sound the way they do, and why those sounds can evoke certain feelings and moods more readily than others. Of course, a lot of this involves critical listening skills and knowledge of music theory that the vast majority of listeners do not possess and probably don't even know exists. Of course, personally deciding whether or not music is "good" or "bad" is quite subjective, but it isn't true to say that music is completely subjective, either.

I have studied a lot of music theory and there isn't much of it designed to discuss music objectively in that sense although I do get your point. So I shouldn't have used the word "completely" otherwise my point still stands.

High Commissar Biffsmack wrote:
reason 1: Music as an industry as opposed to music as an artform. Most of Pop, and almost as much of rap, is made for the purpose of making money.

, yeah. And all those other albums are released purely FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND !!! With no financial motivation at all. Ever. All those metal baqnds, they do it for free. That's why they give away all their ... err.... I mean, that's why they support all the filesharing guys and.... errr...

Shamfrit wrote:What I want to know, is why wargaming turns people into metal heads, or metal heads always come to wargaming?

(Runs off to listen to Florence and the Machine in a flowery robe and spread the love.)

it's strange really but i only listen to my Heavy rock stuff when i'm playing a FPS game... when im painting it can be anything from Enya to Cas hayley. Although i have to add it's normaly Enigma at the moment, don't really like to paint to S.O.A.D But i LOVE there songs...

I listen to some very odd music, my wife refers to it as weird but I find it beautiful, it is abstract rap or whatever you want to call it.

13&god (the notwist and themselves)
alias
alias & tarsier
bracken
darc mind
dj mayonnaise
dosh
jel
odd nosdam
passage
pedestrian (j.b.best)
restiform bodies
sage francis
sj esau
sole
sole and the skyrider band
son lux
telephone jim jesus
themselves (doseone & jel)
WHY?
slug
josh martinez
buck 65
deep puddle dynamics

to name a few


Also I have been listening to some viking metal I guess is what you would call it

eluveitie
ensiferum
turisas

and some trance on top.

People arguing about which music is better are slowed because all that matters is what music makes you happy. There are a lot of ways to ruin music but only one way to enjoy it.

At the end of the day... music is like wine... consume what you like.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Honestly I think Metal is an assualt on the senses.

I think that the point...

80's power ballads!

"It must have been love, but it's ovvvvvvver nowwwww"

Awesome. To deny is to be in denial.

Wow, this thread has degenerated into a kneejerk hatefest pretty quick. Whenever I hear some crappy music that I can't stand, I just try to guess what Weird Al Yankovik would do with it. He's a genuine musical genius. So much so, I even let him off the hook for being a Vegan.

warpcrafter wrote:Wow, this thread has degenerated into a kneejerk hatefest pretty quick. Whenever I hear some crappy music that I can't stand, I just try to guess what Weird Al Yankovik would do with it. He's a genuine musical genius. So much so, I even let him off the hook for being a Vegan.

I suppose I'd better say "mostly rock and metal", but to be honest I'll listen to stuff if I like it. I can name some rap and techno I like, and I ended up at a blues gig saturday night.


Each to their own and all that.

Shamfrit wrote:What I want to know, is why wargaming turns people into metal heads, or metal heads always come to wargaming?

I don't know I wargame and I happen to be into metal. Hehe, my Word Bearers wear corpse paint.

While I love metal in all its various forms I do like alot of classic rock, blues, even classical Beethoven was the metal of his time Other stuff I'll listen to from genres I don't normally enjoy need to bring something extra to the table. I don't care for rap or country, but there are a few songs or artists that make me laugh or have a message that resonates with me so I'll listen to them.

Personally there are two types of music that always work for me: New Wave (The Police, The Cure, XTC, etc...) and 80's pop (Hall & Oates, Lionel Ritchie, etc...). In the multiple-disk player in my car I always have at least one CAKE cd, 311 or Beastie Boys, or rock cd (Sublime, RHCP, Queens of the Stone Age). I rotate Primus, Amy Winehouse, MxPx, Toad of the Wet Sprocket, and Janes Addiction in and out regularly.

I think my taste in music is fairly broad, but not terribly exclusive. I listen to country, pop, rap, or whatever is on the radio. I've even come to enjoy classical music while I paint. I'm blaming Frazzeled for that since he likes to be all "cultural" at times.

Eclectic.

Here are some examples:

Count Basie (Basie Jam is in fact my all-time favorite album)
Duke Ellington
Miles Davis (Although he can be a bit too melancholy for me at times)
The Ventures
Man or Astroman?
The Police
Mozart
Cake
Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet
Akira Ifukube
The Soundtrack for The Mission
Tito Puente'
Shubert
Beastie Boys (The Mix-Up album)
Steroid Maximus aka J.G. Thirwell
Holst
Smokey Robinson
Fugazi
Shapes of Race Cars
Vampire Weekend
H8FUX (local Las Vegas punk band)
Beethoven

and countless singles by various bands, groups and composers.

I think the problem with my taste in music has to do with a sort of "endless repeat" syndrome. I will put a disc, playlist, whatever on and listen to it again, and again, and again. The problem is that I don't listen to current stuff and by the time I listen to the new band, group, whatever... they've either broken up or out with a new sound.

In my last car I had a single CD player and I would listen to the same album like 20 times in a row. I think I developed this back in the day when I would listen to the same tape in my Walkman.

GoFenris wrote:Eclectic.

Here are some examples:

Count Basie (Basie Jam is in fact my all-time favorite album)
Duke Ellington
Miles Davis (Although he can be a bit too melancholy for me at times)
The Ventures
Man or Astroman?
The Police
Mozart
Cake
Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet
Akira Ifukube
The Soundtrack for The Mission
Tito Puente'
Shubert
Beastie Boys (The Mix-Up album)
Steroid Maximus aka J.G. Thirwell
Holst
Smokey Robinson
Fugazi
Shapes of Race Cars
Vampire Weekend
H8FUX (local Las Vegas punk band)
Beethoven

and countless singles by various bands, groups and composers.

What, no Bach? P sy!
No I'm spying some good stuff there. Might I suggest a little
*Hank Williams Sr. / Waylon Jennings
*Henry Mancini
*Wilson Pickett/Fats Domino
*BB King
*Gypsy Kings

In any internet thread on music it's only a matter of time until someone comes on spouting why Genre X is terrible, despite having never listened to it, apart for a few samples of the most mainstream type. It's pointless, elitist and most importantly downright wrong.

I was not surprised to find this thread to be no exception.

90%-99% of any genre is awful. The exact figure is down to your own personal tastes and not much else. If you happen to hear just the 90% of crap form one particular genre it's quite easy to leap to the conclusion that it's 100% bad.

Can you say D&D metal?




That is one slick nerd

Frazzled wrote:
What, no Bach? P sy!
No I'm spying some good stuff there. Might I suggest a little
*Hank Williams Sr. / Waylon Jennings
*Henry Mancini
*Wilson Pickett/Fats Domino
*BB King
*Gypsy Kings

Damn, I did miss Bach! But I missed a few more Classical composers as well. These were off the top of my head.

Gipsy Kings: Yes!
Hank Williams Sr.: Yes, sometimes.
Waylon Jennings: Not so much but sometimes in the right context (Although much better than what that genre has become)
Mancini: Yes, of course!
Wilson Pickett: Yes!
BB King: I do like the blues but not so much BB actually. It's probably because he is such a technically proficient musician and most old Blues artists aren't

Also, some counter points:

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - It's Gospel but that lady rocks! And she predated Elvis.
Luis Bonfa - The Smithsonian released an acoustical album of just him playing guitar and singing a couple of years back. It is fantastic!
Rod Leavitt Orchestra - 8 man band, 32 man sound!
Stewart Copeland - His solo stuff is really unique.
Be Good Tanyas - Been a fan since their first album.

FITZZ wrote: Punk,but to me that covers a HUGE variety of musical styles,from The Ramones & The Clash to The Misfits & The Exploited and everything in between,it's always been the music that I belive is most encompasing of life & the music I've identified with most.

Hell. Yes. Agreed on all of the above but I'd add a few. Namely crust (Leftover Crack, Wolfbrigade, Toxic Narcotic) along with Ska, which everyone loves (Streetlight, Catch 22, Op Ivy, even some Big D) and the Rocky Horror soundtrack. Great stuff.

As far as rap goes, I don't appreciate most of it because of the stupid materialistic/sexist themes (guess I listened to too much Crass and Oi Polloi), but artists like Mos Def are really great in shining a light on how screwed up that ideal of getting rich FITTY CENT style is as an object of worship (listen to "Modern Marvel").

Either way you look at it, you have to acknowledge that rap is legitimate music. A lot of it may be stupid and commercial, but being an elitist and claiming that it "isn't real music" is just childish. I happen to think that synthesizers sound like crap (they tend to give me a headache even more so than death metal) but I acknowledge that they can still be used to create music.

Early rock, jazz and some metal

My favorite band is sabaton.

GoFenris wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
What, no Bach? P sy!
No I'm spying some good stuff there. Might I suggest a little
*Hank Williams Sr. / Waylon Jennings
*Henry Mancini
*Wilson Pickett/Fats Domino
*BB King
*Gypsy Kings

Damn, I did miss Bach! But I missed a few more Classical composers as well. These were off the top of my head.

Gipsy Kings: Yes!
Hank Williams Sr.: Yes, sometimes.
Waylon Jennings: Not so much but sometimes in the right context (Although much better than what that genre has become)
Mancini: Yes, of course!
Wilson Pickett: Yes!
BB King: I do like the blues but not so much BB actually. It's probably because he is such a technically proficient musician and most old Blues artists aren't

Also, some counter points:

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - It's Gospel but that lady rocks! And she predated Elvis.
Luis Bonfa - The Smithsonian released an acoustical album of just him playing guitar and singing a couple of years back. It is fantastic!
Rod Leavitt Orchestra - 8 man band, 32 man sound!
Stewart Copeland - His solo stuff is really unique.
Be Good Tanyas - Been a fan since their first album.

I am going to steal your list for potential Christmas presents.

I'd have to say that usually if I like a piece of music then I like it, although I lost track following popular music back in 2003. I do have main genres that I listen to though, such as rock, metal, grunge and indie. I'm also a huge fan of film soundtracks and scores to sci-fi films (the scores are mostly from 80's sci-fi, already have it in my will to have the theme from Starman played at my funeral - heaven forbid I should be melodramatic ).

Here's a (brief) list of my fav bands, though many I like are missed out:

Aerosmith (best band in the world....period )
Iron Maiden
AC DC
Queen
Bon Jovi
Guns n' Roses
SiOL
Marylin Manson
Rob Zombie
Rammestien
Union Underground
Dragonforce
Tenacious D
After Midnight Project
Finger Eleven
Foo Fighters
Special mention goes to the score to the TV series Firefly. While not a "band" it's my favourite score and I listen to it a lot.

I do have a secret confession though. While it would usually be way off my beaten path for music, I do find myself starting to like Lily Allen's new songs, especially that 'weapon of mass consumption' one. Also helps that I find her hot .

Lagduf wrote:

LOL.

I suppose this applies to all rap groups. You yourself don't listen to this stuff i'm assuming, so is it reasonable to guess you only hear the mainstream dreck that is played over the radio and on outlets like MTV?

Why don't you actually go and listen to some rap that isn't garbage?

Dead Prez for example.

A rap group who raps against offensive imagery in mainstream hip hop such as senseless violence, greed, and sexism.

Your point #3 is absurd. You're showing your bias that you clearly think rap is an inferior form of music. In what way is composing music electronically inferior to composing a piece meant to be played by multiple (non-electronic) instruments?

You're stating, and quite clearly I might add, that one genre of music is objectively better than another, which is patently false.

In fact it is absurd.

Computers, drum machines, synthesizers, etc are all just tools used to making music. Some artists use them better than others, but your assault against the tools used is misplaced.

Your argument is blindsided by your own opinions on what you think music should be, rather than what it actually is.

As for me, I listen to music that I enjoy.

omg high commisar waht a complete fail of a post that was. Music is subjective you moron.

Music can't be broke down into some objective argument made up of points about how its not this and that. Music is completely subjective, what sounds good to you is completely different to someone else.

True music lovers don't argue about music, or rather, don't have a go at other peoples tastes and are comfortable enough with their own tastes that they don't have to make it into a competition.

@ Lagduf: Oh, not at all. Show me a rap band that doesn't exhibit these traits, then I can at least respect them.

I never stated that electronically created music was inferior in every instance, just that it doesn't take nearly the effort and devotion that learning an instrument does. If an actual artist puts time and energy into creating this stuff electronically, then I can again respect it.

Like I said, these are the reasons it pisses me off. Of course this stuff is subjective, I never said it wasn't. This is the way I perceive music, I never said it had to apply to you people. I was answering a question; why does it piss people off? Of course I can't speak for everyone, but I know many people who I'm sure would agree in full. Did I ever say I criticize you for listening to it? No.

, yeah. And all those other albums are released purely FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND !!! With no financial motivation at all. Ever. All those metal baqnds, they do it for free. That's why they give away all their ... err.... I mean, that's why they support all the filesharing guys and.... errr...

This isn't proving Metal's absolute superiority over rap, I'm no elitist. I've seen plenty of bands within the Metal genre that play for the money, and guess what? They piss me off. I listen to music (not anywhere close to exclusively metal, mind you, It's just what I'm into right now) that is made for the purpose of making music.

High Commissar Biffsmack wrote:

@ Lagduf: Oh, not at all. Show me a rap band that doesn't exhibit these traits, then I can at least respect them.

I never stated that electronically created music was inferior in every instance, just that it doesn't take nearly the effort and devotion that learning an instrument does. If an actual artist puts time and energy into creating this stuff electronically, then I can again respect it.

Like I said, these are the reasons it pisses me off. Of course this stuff is subjective, I never said it wasn't. This is the way I perceive music, I never said it had to apply to you people. I was answering a question; why does it piss people off? Of course I can't speak for everyone, but I know many people who I'm sure would agree in full. Did I ever say I criticize you for listening to it? No.

Metal, all the way.

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